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BrianB
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:43 am
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| Dutch_chap wrote: | | ....Spotted an R class tram in Miller St. Pyrmont with Bondi as its destination. Guess the driver was'nt paying attention! The "Super Constellations" at Mascot airport could just about bring tears to the eyes of those who saw them in real life all those years ago. I worked for TNT Railfast in the Alexandria goods yards (1968 - 1975) so it's great to see it included in this route even though it fell victim to 'selective compression'!!! ....... |
Yes, the tram is a static copy of one of Joseph Spinella's, but I left his Bondi destination in place - I have a 1933 Sydney street directory which shows all the tram lines, and I examined it to see where I could 'legitimately' have a tram (or two) beside any parts of the Illawarra route.
I'm trying to contact the author of the Constellation (in France) and see if I can get permission to repaint the 'Connie' in early Qantas colours - until I get that permission, it will have to stay in Air France colours. The funny thing is, just recently, I was searching for some old photos, and quite accidentally came across a couple of old Kodak Box Brownie photos I took at Mascot in the early 50's - my father took me out to Mascot to see the first ever Constellation land in Sydney, a Dutch KLM plane actually.
As far as Alexandria Sidings is concerned - yes, the depiction in my route is very 'selective compression' - mainly for two reasons, the tile that it is on is already maxed out, and in spite of having the ARHS track and signalling CD, there does not appear to be any track plans left in existence for this area!!!
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BrianB
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:00 am
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| flathog wrote: | Any chance of taking V3 to Mossvale  Tom |
Well actually, this question has already been discussed in a few other forum topics - No, I am NOT going to extend the line to Moss Vale.
However, as a special concession for a 'couple of friends', I am doing the line for about seven miles from Unanderra as far as the Illawarra Range Tunnel No1, which of course, is a very convenient way to 'end the scenery'.
This section of the route will have the original unique relief roads layout at Dombarton. These are the ones where the train being 'passed' drives forward into the facing relief road, then backs down under the main line into the trailing relief road, and when the line is clear of the 'passing' train, drives straight out onto the main line again - a very unique method of operation.
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BrianB
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:17 am
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| 1979 wrote: | Hmmm Bondi Junction  LMAO, Wrong Era I know lol.. Ok City Circle lol!...Cant Wait Brian, thanks for creating this route for us!..1979 |
V1.0 was from Waterfall to Coniston
V2.0 was from Waterfall to 'the North'
V3.0 will be from Coniston to 'the South'
That's all I'll say for the moment.
My 'Field Trip to the Illawarra' in a weeks time might change the extent of what I intend to do in V3.0
The one thing that is really annoying me at the moment (p...ing me off, actually), is I've missed my 'one and only' opportunity to have a run from Wollongong to Moss Vale - because of the closure of the Main South, and the attendant diversion of 'heaps' of freights over the MV Line, 3801 Ltd, has had to cancell their 'Cockatoo Run' for that weekend, as they have lost their 'traffic slot' to a bl.....dy freighter from Melbourne!!!!!!!!!!
I say 'one and only', as I've not seen the 'Gong for over 35 years, and as I live in 'far away' sunny Queensland, it's highly likely I will never have another opportunity to get back down to the 'Gong in my remaining years.
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flathog
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GeoffreyHansen
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:52 am
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| 1979 wrote: | | GeoffreyHansen wrote: | | Also what were the tramway sidings at Wolli Creek used for? |
The tramway sidings at Wolli Creek were for the Ballast Motors and Trailers. |
Brian could you add a ballast motor or two to the sidings? Just to add a bit of effect.
Also were trolleybuses running from Rockdale and Kograh at the time? There are trolleybuses at Port Adelaide in the Adelaide and Hills Route maybe they could be repainted green and placed at Rockdale.
Also when did the Woronora Cemetery branchline close?
Just a couple of suggestions.
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helterskelter
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:55 am
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Why don't you download them from steam4me and add the consist yourself?
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BrianB
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:56 am
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| flathog wrote: | | .............You could off course join your route with CTN :shock ....... |
Funny about that - I've had a private email just this morning asking basically the same question!!!!!
Before everyone gets excited at this possibility!!!!!!!
No, it is not possible to link the two routes together - all the trackwork on my Illawarra route to the west of Newtown and Meeks Road Junctions is TOTALLY out of synch with Peter's route from Newtown to Strathfield and Enfield. It took me some considerable time to graft the 4 Sydney end tiles from Peter's route onto the top of Illawarra. I found that the 'common point' for both routes was out by about half an MSTS tile width.
As a result my Illawarra route between Sydenham and St.Peters and from Leichhardt to Balmain is nearly a kilometre out of scale (that is the track is about a kilometre longer than real life) - this is the only way I could get both sections co-existing with each other - there is NO possible way the two routes, as they currently stand, can be linked together. Believe me, I have done enough experimentation to try and find a way to do this, but it is NOT POSSIBLE.
There are two major areas where a 'violent clash' will occur - my Enfield South will not mate up with Peter's Enfield North - my Metro goods lines through Lewisham (near Mungo Scotts) does not line up with Peter's main lines. When I merged the 4 tiles from Peter's route, I had NO intention of doing any trackwork west of Newtown (on Peter's route) or west of Marrickville (on my route), so my Enfield North and the line round to Rozelle was not even on the agenda. However, I think that the way I was able to build the Metro Goods Lines and get it to tie in with Peter's Darling Island section as well, was a pretty good attempt - I think NI V2 with the Metro Goods lines is a far better route than if I had not included them!!!!
The main problem here is the well known MSTS fault, where 'tile creep' over a route does not line up with the Earth's curvature. The further you work from your MSTS starting tile, the bigger the offset will be. What really surprises me is, Peter started laying track at Newcastle and worked down to Sydney, I started at Thirroul and worked up to Sydney. Even then, I'm amazed that the offset is only as little as half an MSTS tile width. But, that is enough to prevent the two routes being merged fully.
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flathog
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BrianB
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:11 am
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| GeoffreyHansen wrote: | .......Brian could you add a ballast motor or two to the sidings? Just to add a bit of effect.
Also were trolleybuses running from Rockdale and Kograh at the time? There are trolleybuses at Port Adelaide in the Adelaide and Hills Route maybe they could be repainted green and placed at Rockdale.
Also when did the Woronora Cemetery branchline close?
Just a couple of suggestions. |
If you look at one of my other posts, the Tramways ballast motors did NOT run on the NSWGR sidings, they were on a separate tram track below the ballast unloading siding - I did think about adding a bit of tram track and a ballast motor, but it didn't fit into the terrain shaping at this point, so I left it out, and no, I'm not inclined to try a second time.
Yes, trolleybuses did run from Rockdale and Kogarah at this time - if you look at how the scenery is done around these two stations, any trolleybuses would not be readily seen, besides there was no MSTS trolleybus available (I haven't seen the ones in Allan's Adelaide route, but now you mention it, I'll at least have a look!!!).
The Woronora Cemetery line had closed by 1948 - I wasn't able to find any details of the track layout for it, except to try and deduce where it went from examining the aerial shots from Google Earth. Trying to build the scenery here would be pretty difficult - if I did try to add the Woronorah Cemetery line, it would mean the Railmotor siding at Sutherland would have to go, as the Cemetery line line ran right through the middle!!! I had a bit of fun trying to layout the Sandgate Cemetery on Peter's CTN, but this was far easier, as the Sandgate line was on basically flat ground and after running into the grounds, the line was straight with the rows of graves fairly easy to reproduce at a basic level suitable for MSTS.
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Fred3801
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:13 am
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| BrianB wrote: |
As a result my Illawarra route between Sydenham and St.Peters and from Leichhardt to Balmain is nearly a kilometre out of scale (that is the track is about a kilometre longer than real life)
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I was wondering why it looked longer that usual heading along the Metro good towards Mungos from Rozelle. But still, good work.
Just one this bothering me, the picture on the loading screen, where was that taken? Something is telling me Scarborough. Don't mean to turn this post into a "Where is it" but it would be interesting to know. 
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BrianB
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:16 am
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| helterskelter wrote: | Why don't you download them from steam4me and add the consist yourself?
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There's no point - you could download them and make a consist - but there is NO tram track at Wolli Creek to run them on!!!!
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BrianB
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:26 am
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| Fred3801 wrote: | | ...Just one this bothering me, the picture on the loading screen, where was that taken? Something is telling me Scarborough......... |
Good call!!! It is a photo from the ARHS Archives taken by N. J. Simon. I think it is taken from on top of the roadbridge at the south of Scarborough station, and shows the unique coastal terrain down towards Wollongong. Probably the 'definitive' photo to introduce an Illawarra route.
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Fred3801
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:35 am
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| BrianB wrote: | | Fred3801 wrote: | | ...Just one this bothering me, the picture on the loading screen, where was that taken? Something is telling me Scarborough......... |
Good call!!! It is a photo from the ARHS Archives taken by N. J. Simon. I think it is taken from on top of the roadbridge at the south of Scarborough station, and shows the unique coastal terrain down towards Wollongong. Probably the 'definitive' photo to introduce an Illawarra route. |
Woo! I thought, being I had to work with this and can I say , A LOT has change. Was there back in October.
The view still there thought
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Grayo
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:47 pm
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You may all be pleased to learn that my crashing problem in the dive has now been solved! I had an earlier version of MSTS Bin which has now been updated to the latest version.
Hey Presto - all is now O.K. (sound is better too) 
The 2 rules for success:
1. Never tell ALL you know.
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KngtRider
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:49 pm
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| BrianB wrote: | | Yes, that's one of MSTS 'little problems' - the buffers don't actually 'buffer'. Actually you should never have to make contact with THAT buffer, as it is only for runaways on the Down Main. |
There is collision information for a bufffer but after many attempts I have never got it to work ! Oh well maybe its broken/unfinished
Doesn't make that much difference anyway is it? Now I think of it, one way you just run off the track like a bullet the other you smash into/through or bounce off the buffer
What it can help with is preventing you run off a track at low speed, as I am sure you know even if you creep off the end of a track just a tad , it will detect a derailment even if all the wheels are still on the trck ?
| Quote: | | the main problem is when the 4 key view... |
I like how mstsbin fixed the camera for the 4 view in that you see the entire train pass, rather than just a few cars
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And the plane at Mascot - this was the only passenger airliner of that era that I could find on the web - its a pity the builder didn't make the 'fly-around loop' a lot bigger!!! |
No 707s avalible ? (Qantas - 29 July 1959 onwards according to wiki !)
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