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A Train Driver's Salary?

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remotemants Train Controller   Joined: Jul 18, 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:00 pm
I was wondering how much a train driver would earn p.a. I'm sure it would differ depending on whether its driving CityRail trains (suburban & intercity), Countrylink (XPL and SEPT), or freight work.
Very curious to know, thanks
 
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CaseyJones Chief Commissioner   Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:01 pm
Not enough...

Cheers



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574M White Guru   Joined: Mar 15, 2006
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:22 pm
A search using the terms Enterprise Bargaining Agreement or EBA might get you the information you are looking for.

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MBAX Chief Commissioner   Joined: Jun 22, 2006
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:27 pm
CaseyJones wrote:
Not enough...

Cheers


You joke..

Always a spare desk in the office...!



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FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner   Joined: Nov 06, 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:27 pm
Train drivers don't get a salary, they get wages.
 
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Clinty Boy Junior Train Controller   Joined: Jan 16, 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:08 am
You'll make more than some office workers. You'd make more as an electrician though. I'm not sure about the salary/wages part. I'm on a base rate, but because we do shift work, we're entitled to various allowances, etc. which means you'll always earn more than your base rate unless you're "off the road" and serving time in Lee St.
 
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The_Beer_Baron Assistant Commissioner   Joined: Aug 13, 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:59 am
It's true what Clinty Boy said, we get a base rate. From trainee Driver to driver 1st year, 2nd yr and driver there after. Plus more if your a driver trainer or a Principal driver. there is extra's for starting before a particular time or late at night, starting earlier or later than your rostered time (altered working), millage, day in etc etc. A wage between 2 drivers could be as much as 10 to 15k difference, like I said depending on shifts and how many overtime days. this is for ETR drivers, as far as intercity and the others they would have slightly different benefits. Still I've worked a lot hard in different jobs than this for a lot less money.



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DeanAU Chief Train Controller   Joined: Mar 22, 2005
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:52 am
Hey guys,

Just curious about the "mileage" dosh..

How is this calculated, and do guards get this too?  
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neety Deputy Commissioner   Joined: Apr 22, 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:10 am
remotemants wrote:
I was wondering how much a train driver would earn p.a. I'm sure it would differ depending on whether its driving CityRail trains (suburban & intercity), Countrylink (XPL and SEPT), or freight work.
Very curious to know, thanks


I think that is a bit of a personal question to ask how much money you earn. All I will say is that it depends on your hourly rate, shift penalties, how much overtime you do, weekend work, etc.



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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:11 am
I think only CountryLink Driver's get mileage payment's now... We certainly don't in Freight Australia/PN.

But to answer the original question, Freight Australia Driver's can earn anywhere between 75-80,000 base to well over 120,000 base depending on what depot you are attached to, the type of running you do and how many barracks jobs you do.

Right now, I'm on $57,000 base as a "Senior Second Person" with FA and with PN I was on around $50-52,000 for the same role, but that included variable APM and Aggregate payments.



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neety Deputy Commissioner   Joined: Apr 22, 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:27 am
DeanAU wrote:
Hey guys,

Just curious about the "mileage" dosh..

How is this calculated, and do guards get this too?


Different companies would have different mileage benefits. With CityRail, both drivers and guards get mileage. Suburban mileage is calculated different to InterCity. Some one else can explain suburban mileage for you, but we get a certain amount of hours pay for a certain amount of kms travelled. For example, Roster A has a total of 321.150kms. Any roster between travelling between 300-350kms might be worth 8 hours pay. We can do the 300-350kms in 6 , 6.5 or 7.75 hours and still get the 8 hours pay. But if it took us longer, say 10.5 hours, we'd get paid for 10.5. Does that make sense? Also InterCity drivers don't get paid mileage to travel on a train, whereas the guards do.



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Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner   Joined: Jan 12, 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:30 am
KRviator wrote:
I think only CountryLink Driver's get mileage payment's now... We certainly don't in Freight Australia/PN.

But to answer the original question, Freight Australia Driver's can earn anywhere between 75-80,000 base to well over 120,000 base depending on what depot you are attached to, the type of running you do and how many barracks jobs you do.

Right now, I'm on $57,000 base as a "Senior Second Person" with FA and with PN I was on around $50-52,000 for the same role, but that included variable APM and Aggregate payments.


You forgot to mention the best bit, we get paid for the rostered time even if we work less Cool , but it all evens out because overtime gets used to make up the difference if we don't work the guarantee.



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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:34 am
I have heard (rightly or wrongly) that PN crews in Victoria as a driver are getting $40 per hour. Not sure how that translates with conditions etc.

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Brian



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FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner   Joined: Nov 06, 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:09 pm
CityRail suburban drivers get paid at time and a half after they drive 209 km in a shift. Seeing as they also get time and a half after 8 hours, the milage payment for exceeding 209 km is only paid if they pass that mark under 8 hours. The two payments don't combine into a greater figure.

Suburban drivers don't accumulate milage while traveling passenger, suburban guards do. Suburban guards aren't limited in the number of kilometres they can work or the number of hours (it seems) but the drivers can only be rostered for 213 km and eight hours, thirty three minutes. Intercity drivers have no limit on milage worked and I think they can work 10 hour shifts.

The Intercity crew's conditions are a lot closer to the old 'Stable Rostering Code' that was in use when the railway was all one organisation. The suburban side has long had it's own separate set of conditions, the ETR agreement. The suburban conditions recognise that the work is more intensive and so doesn't directly compare with other types of working. Doing all stations Bankstown circles all day will never cover the same distance as say working a train to Lithgow and back. A full day of suburban running will however involve many more stations stops and the observation of many more signal indications etc.

CityRail management would probably like to get rid of the remains of the ETR agreement and make the crews work 9 or 10 hour days with no limit on distance traveled. This could be a bone of contention in future enterprise negotiations although management have avoided a confrontation thus far by failing to seriously negotiate on driver specific issues since just after the Olympics. Anyone for an AWA?
 
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Kamz Train Controller   Joined: Nov 03, 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:10 pm
According to the EBA - Base salary (Cityrail)

Driver Yr1 Trainee $51343
Driver Yr1 Completion $51593
Driver 2nd Year $54001
Driver Thereafter $55241
 
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