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ARG706
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:44 pm
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| Ads wrote: | | intellivision wrote: | | maybe if there was an ftp server to upload to |
.....or could the nice creators of the route re-upload it to the internet for download? You know, to justify the reason for creating the route in the first place. I for one, are capable of saying a genuine "thankyou" for their efforts. |
If the man no longer wishes to have it publicly distributed, that's entirely his call.
I started my route purely out of curiosity about the line in question rather than childhood experiences, and I did some research eventually getting a working example of the alignment in the route editor. When it's finished I'll be able to run the initial activities I had in mind which is running bulk grain trains in the dead of the night over the winding, rundown, weed infested tracks. The whole idea is that it is built for myself, rather than just solely for others but I have made changes so it preserves the setting and is end-user friendly if I decide to release it.
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Alltrains
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:03 pm
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Ads
I think that you better think about what you are going to say before you say it. Your statement | Quote: | | You know, to justify the reason for creating the route in the first place. |
is quite out of place and I am sure that some of the creators would find it quite insulting, as no route creator has to justify their reason for creating a route to you or anybody as the routes are made available free of charge.
Look do what a lot of us have done and create a route yourself, of the area that you want to model.
There are various programs that you can use to create your route like, Route-Riter, Google Earth, etc. check out the tutorials on the steam4me web site and I'm sure that a lot of the more experienced creators would help you if you get into difficulty and ask for help.
Cheers
Russell
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Ads
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:30 pm
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| Alltrains wrote: | Ads
I think that you better think about what you are going to say before you say it. Your statement | Quote: | | You know, to justify the reason for creating the route in the first place. |
is quite out of place and I am sure that some of the creators would find it quite insulting, as no route creator has to justify their reason for creating a route to you or anybody as the routes are made available free of charge.
Look do what a lot of us have done and create a route yourself, of the area that you want to model.
There are various programs that you can use to create your route like, Route-Riter, Google Earth, etc. check out the tutorials on the steam4me web site and I'm sure that a lot of the more experienced creators would help you if you get into difficulty and ask for help.
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Hi Russell/all,
My apologies to anyone who took insult and or offense to my comments. My words did not come out quite the way I wanted them to. I do not mean any ill-will to the creators out there, especially considering that is not what this forum, or any Railpage Australia™ forum is about.
however......
I do have an issue with what has happened over the last few years in regards to creators removing their routes from public download.
Now yes, I do see why they have done so........to a certain extent, but surely it was to be expected (certainly not preferred) that there was going to be some "gimmi pigs" (to use a phrase from this forum) out there from day one.
Yes, if I had created a route and received negative feedback in any terms other than 'constructive criticism' I would be quite upset too and wouldn't want anyone rude, greedy, negative or disrespectful to use a route I had spent so much time and effort on either.
But what about the 'good people' who have been 100% genuine with their gratefulness and appreciation for those who have created MSTS routes.
In an ironic way, I almost feel I have been disrespected by the creators by removing their routes as if to say "you are not worthy" - but I fail to see what more I could have done to please them? (perhaps give money is the only option?)
Going back to my original comment, I would have liked it to read:
"to justify the route creators bringing to public attention that they have/will be creating a new route"
Now by that I mean, sure feel free to ask in these forums for help in creating a new route. Its encouraged, thats what Railpage Australia™ is there for.
Although if you don't need any help in creating your route and you don't intend on making it available for others to download - then I don't see any reason for this 'new route' to ever be mentioned in a public forum such as Railpage Australia™.
To those creators who have let me (and others) download your route - thankyou, I hope you are aware of how many happy hours of entertainment your MSTS route(s) have given.
-adam
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ARG706
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:38 pm
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Although if you don't need any help in creating your route and you don't intend on making it available for others to download - then I don't see any reason for this 'new route' to ever be mentioned in a public forum such as Railpage Australia™™.
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I disagree. Often it is the case that many people are familiar with the area being modelled or have a genuine interest in the line, and it is more often than not that the line has not been represented in the form of an MSTS route (or through a well established sim) as of yet.
Therefore it creates intrigue and interest even though the creator might not be intent on actually releasing it. You'll note that in the editor menu in MSTS it says "create your own", not create for others.
Therefore there should be no rule, or "justification" should one decide to show a bit of their own work.
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Ads
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:49 pm
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Sorry ARG, Im not the-sharpest-tool-in-the-shed here and you've lost me with this bit 
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Therefore it creates intrigue and interest even though the creator might not be intent on actually releasing it.....
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...Therefore there should be no rule, or "justification" should one decide to show a bit of their own work. |
my spin on things.......
by showing a bit of their work and creating 'interest' with others, wouldn't that then lead to these 'others' then asking along the lines of "gee your route looks great, I would love to play it, when does it come out for download"
fair call?
With the reply from the creator "no sorry, the route is not available for download".
Which is the part that has got me miffed - why then would the creator feel the need to discuss their new route?
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superheatedsteam
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:43 pm
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my spin on things.......
by showing a bit of their work and creating 'interest' with others, wouldn't that then lead to these 'others' then asking along the lines of "gee your route looks great, I would love to play it, when does it come out for download"
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Yes.
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With the reply from the creator "no sorry, the route is not available for download".
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That's a fair call from the creator as well.
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Which is the part that has got me miffed - why then would the creator feel the need to discuss their new route? |
This is a MSTS Routes forum were route builders can show the progress of their routes whether they are going to release them or not. There are a number of benefits to doing this.
The content creator gets feedback on the work done so far. If I show my wife my latest loco or progress on my route she says, “yes that’s nice dear”. If I were to show my work publicly in this forum then I would hopefully get meaningful and constructive feedback from other members of the MSTS community.
A route builder may find other forum members offering assistance with the route or reference material.
Being a content creator myself I always enjoy looking at others work. It often inspires me to improve my own work and motivates me when I find it hard to continue with an existing project. I can also learn new techniques and adopt other builder’s ideas that I like into my own route.
There can also be a spin-off benefit in that budding new builders may be inspired to open up the route editor and dare to start their own route. We all started not knowing anything about route building. When I first saw other Australian routes I thought ‘I can do that’. I did the research, collated the data and started building my own. Not as easy as I thought but I persist.
Even though I download other builder’s routes I predominantly drive only on mine. It has very few scenery objects, no vegetation and the signals don’t work. It is nowhere near the quality of any of the released routes but it’s my route, built by me, for me to drive my trains on. In another 10 years it may be good enough to release but for now it’s staying on my computer.
May I suggest you start building your own route. KRS is being released later this month and the route building tool looks a lot less user hostile than the MSTS route editor. That way you will worry less about others routes as you will hopefully be wholly devoted to your own creation, which you will, undoubtedly share with the wider community.
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Ads
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:14 pm
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| superheatedsteam wrote: | | Ads wrote: |
my spin on things.......
by showing a bit of their work and creating 'interest' with others, wouldn't that then lead to these 'others' then asking along the lines of "gee your route looks great, I would love to play it, when does it come out for download"
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Yes.
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With the reply from the creator "no sorry, the route is not available for download".
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That's a fair call from the creator as well.
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Which is the part that has got me miffed - why then would the creator feel the need to discuss their new route? |
This is a MSTS Routes forum were route builders can show the progress of their routes whether they are going to release them or not. There are a number of benefits to doing this.
The content creator gets feedback on the work done so far. If I show my wife my latest loco or progress on my route she says, “yes that’s nice dear”. If I were to show my work publicly in this forum then I would hopefully get meaningful and constructive feedback from other members of the MSTS community.
A route builder may find other forum members offering assistance with the route or reference material.
Being a content creator myself I always enjoy looking at others work. It often inspires me to improve my own work and motivates me when I find it hard to continue with an existing project. I can also learn new techniques and adopt other builder’s ideas that I like into my own route.
There can also be a spin-off benefit in that budding new builders may be inspired to open up the route editor and dare to start their own route. We all started not knowing anything about route building. When I first saw other Australian routes I thought ‘I can do that’. I did the research, collated the data and started building my own. Not as easy as I thought but I persist.
Even though I download other builder’s routes I predominantly drive only on mine. It has very few scenery objects, no vegetation and the signals don’t work. It is nowhere near the quality of any of the released routes but it’s my route, built by me, for me to drive my trains on. In another 10 years it may be good enough to release but for now it’s staying on my computer.
May I suggest you start building your own route. KRS is being released later this month and the route building tool looks a lot less user hostile than the MSTS route editor. That way you will worry less about others routes as you will hopefully be wholly devoted to your own creation, which you will, undoubtedly share with the wider community. |
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Some good points made as well as providing some further insight.
I still haven't heard enough proof/reason to stand down from my argument, but it is an argument that i will now keep to myself.
thankyou for your time and happy gaming.
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Henry
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:00 am
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Where do you get it from?
Henry
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Scott_AUS
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:28 am
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| Henry wrote: | Where do you get it from?
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Where do you get what?
- Route (see page 1 of this post)
- KRS - best location is UK Train Sim pending the Australian release
- argument about content availability (apply here).
...for everything else, there is always Mastercard.... 
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PhilChorusch
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PhilChorusch
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ARG706
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:05 pm
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You'll find those links will not give you the route.
I'd make sure the author is ok with the general distribution of his work before throwing copies around.
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PhilChorusch
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:30 pm
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With the link that I have added only some of the routes will download
sorry about that guy's if it didn't work let me know and I
will add a full link to the old pages of the steam4me site
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steam4me
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:21 pm
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What is it with you that you cannot understand nor accept the route author's wish that the routes be withdrawn from distribution?
You do not have the right to distribute a CD of the route.
Read the Terms and Conditions: inter alia the T&C state explicitly"
"team-ALCO retains all ownership rights to the original content
software within these files. team-ALCO grants the user ("you") a
non-exclusive licence to use this software for personal use on a
single computer.
"This software may not be copied or distributed, in whole or in
part, to any format, including digital media, without the express
written permission of team-ALCO. "
You do not have consent, you may not distribute.
Simple,really.
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BuddyALX
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:48 pm
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Yuri...
Where does it say in this thread that Phil was planning on making a CD out of this route? The only thing I can find is about Phil trying to contact Russell Beer FOR a CD. He NEVER said he was going to distribute it on a CD. You must've been confused with the other topic on the Central West route.
Phil.
I hate to say it, but Russell Beer no longer comes to Railpage Australia™. However, I've seen some of his work on UKTS, but the GSM Route isn't there, or anywhere. It's gone like Central West and there's nothing that can be done to get it back.
Mods. I believe that this thread is currently pointless since this issue has been resolved. Please Lock.
Cheers.
Buddy.
Daniel Hall.
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