North East Line to Standard Gauge

 
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The last one now everyones is up to date....... questions will be asked  Very Happy
These post are by the courtesy of Vicsig.

May 01

comtrain said
.......find out why the project did not go ahead. Could it be because only 6 passenger trains a day used the line at that time?

woodford said:
Most likely, there appears to have been very little maintenence done on the old BG for the past X number or years. The track was in an appalling state. When they were pulling the spikes to remove the old sleepers in the times that I observed them I would say 25 percent of the spikes just lifted out. They had two workers going ahead of the hydralic spike pullers just lifting out what spikes they could and they were busy.

leyland said,

What is it like now through Albury north bound with clear signals for non stopping fast freighters ?

woodford said:
On the southern end of the bridge is a pair of speed limit signs for the East line possible for the curve just north of the bridge. The top one with a deep yellow background says 70, the bottom one with a white background says 80. Currently the trains I have seen on the bridge do take it fairly easily but not to slow.



May 03

This looks to be the layout for the emegency stabling SG loop at Seymour near the turntable. Did not see a SG connection to the turntable but I was standing the west side of the line opposite the crossover for the BG track to the workshops. All points on the loop siding including the ones to the main line are manual operated (at this stage anyway).

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There was a couple of O'Donnel and Griffen staff testing the current drain of the signal lamps to see if they met the specs of the current monitoring circuitry in the signal controlers. This was at the the signals 2.5 k's north of the start of the double track.

The equipment cabinet has been installed at Monea for the new signals (kilometer mark 127.400, aprox 10 kilolmeters north of Avenel). There are currently a pair of signals on the East line. The new signals positions are West line for north bound trains aprox 30 meters south of the level crossing, East line adjacent to the current signal for south bound trains. This is around 30 meters north of the level crossing. The equipment cabinet is on the west side of the line adjacent to the new signal for the East line.



May 03

The hot mix surface was done today on platform 2 (The old BG platform) at Violet Town. Platform 1 is still has safety fences around it. They may have mucked up the path fences as they have left no direct access from the car park to platform 1. So the only way to get onto platform 1 is go back around via platform 2. Not good.

may 03

Mount Sirfeel wrote:I always had this Idea that the carpark will be closed off as a public carpark (as per Seymour's centre car park)

woodford:
No indication that they are going to do that as a matter of fact they appear to have gone to some lenghts in keeping it open. My impression from keeping an eye on the project is that they wanted to put the new platforms in with as little external change as possible probable to keep the cost and complaints down. In the case of Violet Town the new platform starts imediately south of the car parks level crossing signals.



May 06

Violet Town has had all the construction fences removed. So it would seem this station is now finished. The stations completed now appear to be Albury, Chiltern, Violet Town and Euroa. The points for the crossovers on both the Up and Down sides of Wangarrata still have not had the point motors finished. Both the crossovers at Benalla have been finished and wired up for some time now. The points are clipped with only a single clip (on the up one anyway)..

The platforms remaining to be done are,
Seymour 1, surfacing and around 10 meters of timber platform edgeing adjacent to the ticket office.
Avenel East line, surfacing , I think that is all.
Springhurst East line, looks to be complete but still has construction fences inplace may be waiting electrical work.



May 07

Violet Town has had a fence put across the West lines platform at the up end. This fence is at the up end of the work of raising the platform. This would effectively make this platform 180 metres long I would presume. That would mean both platforms will be the same length.



May 10

Seymour station,
Platform 1 was having the hotmix surface done today, it was around half finished at around 1200 hours.
New timbers for the up end section had been delivered these will be installed and the gap left filled with hotmix I assume.
Platform 2 was having new timbers put on the last 20 metres or so of the down edge of the platform.
I do not know how much of this end is usable as the line curves away to the west just before the end of the platform.

Avenel. East line platfrom,
They were still working here, must be getting close to finished surely.

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  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
woodford, a great record of this gauge conversion project.  Well done
  R711 Train Controller

Location: Warrnambool
Why will each set have a power van. I thought N classes had head end power
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why will each set have a power van. I thought N classes had head end power
"R711"


Back up power and the van will also be used to carry bikes for railtrail uses.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Why will each set have a power van. I thought N classes had head end power
"R711"


Interesting question that.
One reason is that from what has been posted they have removed the alternators from  the cars leaving them with no power when the loco is disconnected.
The N class were originally fitted with a 250KVA alternator for head end power this would be more than enough one would assume to power 5 cars, I assume this is still the same.
The alternators fitted to the carriages were I believe 35KVA.

Hmmmm.... just thinking
They have increased the capacity of the air conditioning this may have pushed the total power the carriage draws to something above what its altenator could supply. The old air con had a cooling capacity of 28 KW according to the "state transport autority's BN diagram. The upgraded system must be drawing some serious power. Important note: the cooling capacity is not the motor power that would be around half the cooling capacity.
  R711 Train Controller

Location: Warrnambool
How many Power vans will that leave on the broad I thought there was only enough for each A class plus a few extras
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Back when the Sleeper replacement was in full swing last year there was discussion about the fate of the Timber that had been removed.

On a trip to Wangaratta a couple of weeks ago, I sighted part of the answer - in the form of a paddock about half way between Bowser and Springhurst which has literally hundreds of piles of sleepers that seem to have just been tipped from trucks.

They must be well monitored I guess - there would be enough there to keep every landscape gardener and wood fire user busy for years.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Back when the Sleeper replacement was in full swing last year there was discussion about the fate of the Timber that had been removed.

On a trip to Wangaratta a couple of weeks ago, I sighted part of the answer - in the form of a paddock about half way between Bowser and Springhurst which has literally hundreds of piles of sleepers that seem to have just been tipped from trucks.

They must be well monitored I guess - there would be enough there to keep every landscape gardener and wood fire user busy for years.
"mikesyd"


There was some story about them In the Weekly Times the other week (didn't get around to reading It)

I don't think they are for sale.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Seymour on March 12, 2010:

Work on the new standard gauge track through Seymour platform 1
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By May 8:

Slewed standard gauge track through Seymour station
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Platform works pending for the slewed track
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The first train to use the new SG platform at Seymour? The XPT stops to drop off a sick passenger, the ambos had to zig zag through the passenger subway...
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  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Is there any chance that Seymour could become a regular stop for the XPT?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Is there any chance that Seymour could become a regular stop for the XPT?
"GeoffreyHansen"

The station has been co-branded:
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As to whether that means much? The story mentioned here some time ago was the XPT would be the limited stations express, both V/Line and CountryLink having the same fare structure and tickets being valid or either train (pending reservations being made)
  EL60 Chief Commissioner

Location: left
got the all Standard Guage consist tonight with N453 and SN16 set upfront on the up Marshall service which will be history.which will we wont see anymore on Broad Gauge Network when N453,N469,N470 plus SN1,SN15 and SN16 sets go to Standard Gauge
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  woodford Chief Commissioner

Back when the Sleeper replacement was in full swing last year there was discussion about the fate of the Timber that had been removed.

On a trip to Wangaratta a couple of weeks ago, I sighted part of the answer - in the form of a paddock about half way between Bowser and Springhurst which has literally hundreds of piles of sleepers that seem to have just been tipped from trucks.

They must be well monitored I guess - there would be enough there to keep every landscape gardener and wood fire user busy for years.
"mikesyd"


There was some story about them In the Weekly Times the other week (didn't get around to reading It)

I don't think they are for sale.
"Nightfire"


There are/were four sleeper dumps that I no of the first was in a paddock just NE of Mangalore. The second is in a paddock SE of the line just north of Longwood. The third is in a paddock around 3 kilometers north of the line between Violet Town and Baddaginnie and the fourth is the one mentioned in the post.

What is being done is that all sleepers in reusable condition are seperated out and VLIne appears to be finding a use for them most of the others are being cut up be a large machine into firewood. Mangalore has been completely cleaned up and Longwood is now not far behind.

Note: there were  very few sleepers in good condition, it was not uncommon in walking the BG to find between 20 to 35 is the most I counted crook sleepers before you came across a good one and most of these were selected out before the sleepers were cleaned up. It is very likely that the loop on the Oaklands line in Benalla contains some of these also the Dock in Albury is another candidate.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Had to go the Melbourne today on the way back had a look around SN16. The only obvious (sort of) change is the removal of the emergency altenator and its replacement with a water tank. It was not open just stabled in platform 4A at SC. Seating layout is the same as before 2+2 in 1st class and 2+3 2nd class.

Basicly for all intents and purposes as far as I can see if you have seen an N set in the new colours then you have got it in one.

May be small changes in side but still the same N set 2nd class seating, some of the most uncomfortable seating on the planet. No leg room  at all.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Is there any chance that Seymour could become a regular stop for the XPT?
"GeoffreyHansen"

The station has been co-branded:
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/north-east-stations/image/595/E103_4407.jpg[/img]

As to whether that means much? The story mentioned here some time ago was the XPT would be the limited stations express, both V/Line and CountryLink having the same fare structure and tickets being valid or either train (pending reservations being made)
"wongm"


Benalla is branded the same do not know about Wangarratta have not been to the station for ages. All  other stations north of Seymour only say VLine
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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

VLP trains will stop as before, but new Wodonga in lieu of old Wodonga.

XPT trains will stop  IIRC  Broadmeadows  (Vic), Seymour, Benalla, Wangaratta and Albury .  (i:e:  NOT  Wodonga.)
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
VLP trains will stop as before, but new Wodonga in lieu of old Wodonga.

XPT trains will stop  IIRC  Broadmeadows  (Vic), Seymour, Benalla, Wangaratta and Albury .  (i:e:  NOT  Wodonga.)
"kuldalai"


So the trip into Melbourne will become like the trip into Sydney. Still it is probably a sensible idea.

Also XPTs will stop at Broadmedow in NSW and Broadmeadows in Victoria.

Actually it will be tempting to get off the XPT at Seymour with things like the Seymour Rail Heritage Centre.
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen

Also XPTs will stop at Broadmedow in NSW and Broadmeadows in Victoria.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I don't think the train will be stopping at Broadmedow NSW, as it is in Newcastle well and truly away from the route.

Scott H.
  Xiphias Locomotive Driver

Location: Riding the rails

Also XPTs will stop at Broadmedow in NSW and Broadmeadows in Victoria.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I don't think the train will be stopping at Broadmedow NSW, as it is in Newcastle well and truly away from the route.

Scott H.
"scott_harder"


I believe GeoffreyHansen is referring to the fact that CountryLink services in general will be stopping at both stations (but obviously not on the same service)
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

Also XPTs will stop at Broadmedow in NSW and Broadmeadows in Victoria.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I don't think the train will be stopping at Broadmedow NSW, as it is in Newcastle well and truly away from the route.

Scott H.
"scott_harder"


I believe GeoffreyHansen is referring to the fact that CountryLink services in general will be stopping at both stations (but obviously not on the same service)
"Xiphias"


That's what I meant.
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen

Also XPTs will stop at Broadmedow in NSW and Broadmeadows in Victoria.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I don't think the train will be stopping at Broadmedow NSW, as it is in Newcastle well and truly away from the route.

Scott H.
"scott_harder"


I believe GeoffreyHansen is referring to the fact that CountryLink services in general will be stopping at both stations (but obviously not on the same service)
"Xiphias"


That's what I meant.
"GeoffreyHansen"


My bad sorry 8-(

Should read more carefully after night shifts

Scott H.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

Also XPTs will stop at Broadmedow in NSW and Broadmeadows in Victoria.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I don't think the train will be stopping at Broadmedow NSW, as it is in Newcastle well and truly away from the route.

Scott H.
"scott_harder"


I believe GeoffreyHansen is referring to the fact that CountryLink services in general will be stopping at both stations (but obviously not on the same service)
"Xiphias"


That's what I meant.
"GeoffreyHansen"


My bad sorry 8-(

Should read more carefully after night shifts

Scott H.
"scott_harder"


No worries.
  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............

Also XPTs will stop at Broadmedow in NSW and Broadmeadows in Victoria.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I don't think the train will be stopping at Broadmedow NSW, as it is in Newcastle well and truly away from the route.

Scott H.
"scott_harder"


I believe GeoffreyHansen is referring to the fact that CountryLink services in general will be stopping at both stations (but obviously not on the same service)
"Xiphias"


That's what I meant.
"GeoffreyHansen"


Both services will use Platform 3 at Strathfield - stand by for the first batch of misdirected luggage (shortly followed by the first misdirected passenger)....! Rolling Eyes
  trainfreak Site Admin

The luggage tags are colour coded so hopefully, as long as they are able to distinguish which Broadmeadow(s) they are going to all will be well!
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
They need to append the state to the word.

Thus, Broadmeadow done as Broadmeadow - NSW
and, Braodmeadows done as Broadmeadows - VIC

That should help cut the confusion.

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