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michinyon Chief Commissioner

That Seymour diagram came into use the day my father was born.
 
woodford Chief Commissioner

Some photos taken today.....

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- woodford


Above is the photo from previous post showing the location of the insulated joints just on the down side of the start points.

Today workers were installing the joints on the West line. I was there at around 0900 and they had just removed a section of rail. It looks as though they had 4 insulted joints so the may have been doing the East line as well, although this would have cut the line for around 4 hours so i do not know if the East line was done.

The equipment cabinets have been installed at the crossover just north of the old hume hwy, Seymour there were also a number of workers there wiring the cables in.

The Eastline resleepering was just north of Locksley.
 
NIGELINOZ Assistant Commissioner

Location: Tallangatta,Vic,
The thing I can't believe is that the works on this project have actually started !
I left Australia in Jan 2004 to work in the UK for 5 years and the project to bypass the Wodonga high street rail crossing was talked about then.
I've just returned to Australia-imagine my surprise to see that it's finally underway. Rolling Eyes
 
woodford Chief Commissioner

The thing I can't believe is that the works on this project have actually started !
I left Australia in Jan 2004 to work in the UK for 5 years and the project to bypass the Wodonga high street rail crossing was talked about then.
I've just returned to Australia-imagine my surprise to see that it's finally underway. Rolling Eyes
- NIGELINOZ


You can go back considerably further than that. The Wodonga council had an engineering study done in the lat 1950's aiming to get rid of the level crossing, I believe they investigated an underpass, as I understand it it was rejected because of the cost.
This level crossing has been a headache for a lllloooonnnnnggggg time.
 
steamfreak Chief Train Controller

Location: Wodonga, VIC
The thing I can't believe is that the works on this project have actually started !
I left Australia in Jan 2004 to work in the UK for 5 years and the project to bypass the Wodonga high street rail crossing was talked about then.
I've just returned to Australia-imagine my surprise to see that it's finally underway. Rolling Eyes
- NIGELINOZ


You can go back considerably further than that. The Wodonga council had an engineering study done in the lat 1950's aiming to get rid of the level crossing, I believe they investigated an underpass, as I understand it it was rejected because of the cost.
This level crossing has been a headache for a lllloooonnnnnggggg time.
- woodford

The Border Mail quoted an old article a while back that complained about  the crossing in the 1890's!  I also came across an article a while back that mentioned the delays on High Street caused by troop train movements during WWII.  A very long headache.
 
peterg Station Master

Location: Condobolin NSW hometown Wodonga
With the mention of troop trains and Wodonga level crossings, it came to mind, Victoria's (and Australia's) worst rail-road crash on May 8 1943. Steam loco A2 863 hit a bus carrying soldiers at Tallangatta Road, Wodonga resulting in the death of twenty five people. (Thanks to Mark Bau's VR History page).

I remembered this as I used to live near this level crossing and knew nothing of this accident until I read the monument at the site.

Although the Bandiana line is all but abandoned, Im sure it had a busy past with War and Snowy Mountains traffic and this event highlights this.

Cheers Peter
 
steamfreak Chief Train Controller

Location: Wodonga, VIC
With the mention of troop trains and Wodonga level crossings, it came to mind, Victoria's (and Australia's) worst rail-road crash on May 8 1943. Steam loco A2 863 hit a bus carrying soldiers at Tallangatta Road, Wodonga resulting in the death of twenty five people. (Thanks to Mark Bau's VR History page).

I remembered this as I used to live near this level crossing and knew nothing of this accident until I read the monument at the site.

Although the Bandiana line is all but abandoned, Im sure it had a busy past with War and Snowy Mountains traffic and this event highlights this.

Cheers Peter
- peterg

Apparently this was kept under wraps for some time due to wartime security measures.  

Yeah, the final leg of the Cudgewa line is as good as closed.  No trains now for a few weeks.  Y151 is still standing forlorn in Albury Yard after working the last train from Bandiana a couple of weeks back.

I see the new intermodal terminal at Ettamogah is in full swing, the CargoSprinter was up there when I drove past last week.  Didn't seem to be doing anything...

Trevor.
 
comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
The thing I can't believe is that the works on this project have actually started !
I left Australia in Jan 2004 to work in the UK for 5 years and the project to bypass the Wodonga high street rail crossing was talked about then.
I've just returned to Australia-imagine my surprise to see that it's finally underway. Rolling Eyes
- NIGELINOZ


You can go back considerably further than that. The Wodonga council had an engineering study done in the lat 1950's aiming to get rid of the level crossing, I believe they investigated an underpass, as I understand it it was rejected because of the cost.
This level crossing has been a headache for a lllloooonnnnnggggg time.
- woodford


That is not altogether correct. Although you can bet the bunch of "richard craniums" that are in Council these many recent years would want you to believe so.

In 1960 it was planned to build a  cutting the same as Wangaratta. The railways offered to put the BG station in the hole as well. The height of House creek, between Kelly Street and the station is lower than Osbourne Street on the Albury side. The new cutting would have used part of the railway land leased to the Mann Family requiring them to shut down and rebuild. I believe that a lot of pressure was exerted and the Council of the day, decided that the cost was too great for too little benefit. When the SG design was approved, little value could be seen in lowering the gauge whilst leaving the BG up top, so the cutting was shelved too.
This story was told by Jean Whittler (local historian) a few years ago, when the Council first tried to close down the railway.
Wangaratta's cutting, obviously was a great advantage, and Wodonga lost out again to the wealthy business's that control most Councils.
When these morons start to redevelop Wodonga Rail yards, a lot of people are going to kick up a fuss to ensue the EPA does its job and force a real clean up  to fix the pollution that has built up over 136 years Rolling Eyes
Cheers
Rod
 
richiebogie Chief Train Controller

The thing I can't believe is that the works on this project have actually started !
I left Australia in Jan 2004 to work in the UK for 5 years and the project to bypass the Wodonga high street rail crossing was talked about then.
I've just returned to Australia-imagine my surprise to see that it's finally underway.
- NIGELINOZ


Maybe by 2054 we'll have trains getting from Melbourne to Sydney in under 9 hours!
 
NIGELINOZ Assistant Commissioner

Location: Tallangatta,Vic,
The thing I can't believe is that the works on this project have actually started !
I left Australia in Jan 2004 to work in the UK for 5 years and the project to bypass the Wodonga high street rail crossing was talked about then.
I've just returned to Australia-imagine my surprise to see that it's finally underway.
- NIGELINOZ


Maybe by 2054 we'll have trains getting from Melbourne to Sydney in under 9 hours!
- richiebogie

To be perfectly honest I think that if it was possible to travel from Melbourne to Sydney by train in 6 hours from tomorrow there still would only be a few takers,in a country the size of Australia and with todays fast pace lifestyle people want to get from A to B at the cheapest fare in the shortest possible time,that's why LCC airlines like Jestar and Tiger do so well,people don't care about having to pay for food onboard and to check luggage if the ticket cost is low enough they will put up with anything if they can be in Sydney from Melbourne in a little over an hour.
Sadly I think the era of long distance rail travel in Australia has just about come to the end.
There will always be a market for tourists and pensioners who are not in  a hurry to get where they wish to go,and services like the Overland and Indian Pacific are perfect for that but take me as an example,I live near Albury and travel overseas at least 5 times a year and there is no way I would catch a train from Albury to Sydney to connect with a flight,in fact I don't even catch the train to Melbourne,it takes too long and there is the hassle of getting from the platforms at Southern Cross to the Skybus terminal.
Is it any wonder I fly from Albury?
 
packa Junior Train Controller

Oh I dunno NIGELINOZ, Perhaps the fare of $2000 return for a family (2+2) could have something to do with why some take a train to Melb from Alb Smile

Compared to $107 for the XPT (for 2+2) travel to and from airport extra.

To add to this.  When you consider the "Battler" family may only save about $10,000 a year (or even that) after all lifes expenses, Putting up with a little drama of the train saves about 2.5 months of working.  A pretty good payoff if you ask me.
 
The Vinelander Chief Commissioner

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
there is the hassle of getting from the platforms at Southern Cross to the Skybus terminal.
Is it any wonder I fly from Albury?
- NIGELINOZ


NICKINOZ, please take me through the 'hassle' of negotiating the platforms at Southern Cross to the Skybus terminal, I was completely unaware there was one.

As I'll be travelling to Melbourne this week by Skybus from Melbourne airport  to connect with a V/Line Ballarat train to Ballan, your advice will be invaluable.

Mike, in Longreach waiting for Qantaslink.
 
Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Come on Mike Ballander - cop out if I ever saw one.

If I was on the train from Rotterdam and needed to get off at Schipol AIRPORT station I'd have no problems.

What about if I was in rural Wisconsin and wanted to fly from Milwaukee Airport, I could alight at the Milwaukee AIRPORT station and also have no hassles.

http://amtrakhiawatha.com/

I don't blame the poster for flying - you end up at the airport after all.
 
The Vinelander Chief Commissioner

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Come on Mike Ballander - cop out if I ever saw one.

I don't blame the poster for flying - you end up at the airport after all.
- Riccardo


Never been to Holland, and though I've travelled extensively by Amtrak, I've never been on the Hiawatha, and I'm not certain how all this relates to the hassles of transiting from the Skybus to my platform at Southern Cross station.

It's a bit difficult also to fly to Ballan as there are no commercail flights, and no aerodrome.

Mike, still waiting in Longreach for my Qantaslink flight.
 
Athol Chief Train Controller

Location: Within sight of the Newcastle St bridge over the Main North, Cardiff NSW
To be perfectly honest I think that if it was possible to travel from Melbourne to Sydney by train in 6 hours from tomorrow there still would only be a few takers,in a country the size of Australia and with todays fast pace lifestyle people want to get from A to B at the cheapest fare in the shortest possible time,that's why LCC airlines like Jestar and Tiger do so well,people don't care about having to pay for food onboard and to check luggage if the ticket cost is low enough they will put up with anything if they can be in Sydney from Melbourne in a little over an hour.
- NIGELINOZ

Provide say a 9-hour overnight sleeper motor rail service from somewhere accessible from the Sydney freeway network on the northen side (eg Berowra), then another pickup on the southern side (eg Narellan), then run express to Melbourne's freeway network (eg western ring road), and vise versa.  The level of demand would depend upon the pricing.  Put decent restaurants that serve breakfast and dinner in the station / service centres at each end and you don't have to supply much or any food on the train.

Catching an aeroplane is all very well for one person who doesn't need their car at the other end, but there are a lot of people, usually in family groups, who drive all the way from Sydney to Melbourne, with one overnight stop at say Holbrook or Albury.  Make a viable travel cost for a motor rail that lets them sleep on the train instead of a motel, and eliminates 2 days of "are we there yet" driving and a lot of people would use it.  It may also result in trips that would otherwise not happen at all, because many people simply wouldn't do the 2-day drive each way.
 
Pressman The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
To add to this.  When you consider the "Battler" family may only save about $10,000 a year (or even that) after all lifes expenses,
- packa


Shocked
If they can save 10 grand a year they certainly ain't "Battlers"!
Most aussie "Battlers" I see would be lucky to save $100 a year!  Confused
 
Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

What about if I was in rural Wisconsin and wanted to fly from Milwaukee Airport, I could alight at the Milwaukee AIRPORT station and also have no hassles.

http://amtrakhiawatha.com/

I don't blame the poster for flying - you end up at the airport after all.
- Riccardo


this is a little out though, the Hiawatha's through Wisconsin only travel from the Illinois state line straight through Milwaukee Airport and into the city..... there is not really anything you could class as rural within the Hiawatha corridor..... The only trains which make it through rural Wisconsin would be the Empire Builder once daily in each direction, requiring a change in Milwaukee to get a Hiawatha to the airport station...... I used to live just outside Milwaukee, there is certainly no "rural" in the corridor between Chicago and Milwaukee......
 
NIGELINOZ Assistant Commissioner

Location: Tallangatta,Vic,
there is the hassle of getting from the platforms at Southern Cross to the Skybus terminal.
Is it any wonder I fly from Albury?
- NIGELINOZ


NICKINOZ, please take me through the 'hassle' of negotiating the platforms at Southern Cross to the Skybus terminal, I was completely unaware there was one.

As I'll be travelling to Melbourne this week by Skybus from Melbourne airport  to connect with a V/Line Ballarat train to Ballan, your advice will be invaluable.

Mike, in Longreach waiting for Qantaslink.
- The Vinelander

Firstly I would suggest you re read my post for a couple of reasons,first is my username is NIGELINOZ not NICKINOZ,secondly if you had bothered to read my post thoroughly you would have understood that I was referring to MY point of view as regards catching a train from Albury to Melbourne which for the work I do,needing to take at least 4 suitcases full of brochures etc from Southern Cross to the Skybus terminal is not convenient-for me it's too much hassle,and when I can fly from Albury to Sydney or Melbourne and check in my luggage at Albury and if I am travelling Qantas not see it again until I disembark from the plane usually on the other side of the world many hours later then I ask again why would I bother catching a train that rarely runs on time,that provides for me a poor connection to the airport,and that runs on outdated infrastructure (yes I realise it is currently being upgraded) that provides an uncomfortable ride.
Why would I bother ? Well the answer is I don't and won't until the upgrade works are completed.
If after the work is finished the service provider can come up with a timetable that provides a reliable,reasonably priced,comfortable journey then I will be happy to try the delights of regional rail travel in Victoria again,I love railways,but some times practicality wins out.
 
comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
To be perfectly honest I think that if it was possible to travel from Melbourne to Sydney by train in 6 hours from tomorrow there still would only be a few takers,in a country the size of Australia and with todays fast pace lifestyle people want to get from A to B at the cheapest fare in the shortest possible time,that's why LCC airlines like Jestar and Tiger do so well,people don't care about having to pay for food onboard and to check luggage if the ticket cost is low enough they will put up with anything if they can be in Sydney from Melbourne in a little over an hour.
- NIGELINOZ

Provide say a 9-hour overnight sleeper motor rail service from somewhere accessible from the Sydney freeway network on the northen side (eg Berowra), then another pickup on the southern side (eg Narellan), then run express to Melbourne's freeway network (eg western ring road), and vise versa.  The level of demand would depend upon the pricing.  Put decent restaurants that serve breakfast and dinner in the station / service centres at each end and you don't have to supply much or any food on the train.

Catching an aeroplane is all very well for one person who doesn't need their car at the other end, but there are a lot of people, usually in family groups, who drive all the way from Sydney to Melbourne, with one overnight stop at say Holbrook or Albury.  Make a viable travel cost for a motor rail that lets them sleep on the train instead of a motel, and eliminates 2 days of "are we there yet" driving and a lot of people would use it.  It may also result in trips that would otherwise not happen at all, because many people simply wouldn't do the 2-day drive each way.
- Athol


I once saw on a movie, I think, a continuous covered train which was wider than usual. It was built to allow large semi trailers to drive along inside it and park in line, for the journey. One side of the carriage had a narrow walkway which allowed people to walk to toilets and a dining carriage where meals and refreshments could be purchased.
The truck drivers mainly slept in their vehicles.
I was thinking that if a new VFT type train was built and a wide gauge was selected,  12 feet wide double decked trains could house cars, buses and caravans on the bottom deck, First Class Accommodation, beds and eating facilities on the top deck. Economy travel would allow people to sleep on the bus, in their caravan, or car for that matter. Was this something that happens on the tunnel between Britain and France??
If cars were side loaded at the front of the train (that is doors allow access to the interior off the platform) Cars could enter and drive through till the cars were full. At the rear of the train, the double decking could be left out, to allow semi trailers to drive on and use the extra height.
Anyway if something like this could move a hundred families to Sydney in under 5 hours, I could see people lining up for tickets!
It costs me  $200 to drive to Sydney $300 to Brisbane and another 700 to Cairns. So I believe the railway might even be profitable. However I don't believe any Politician in Australia has the ability to think beyond the 4 years he has been elected for, or enough brains to do anything for his grand kids, much less the nation.
Cheers
Rod
 
richiebogie Chief Train Controller

The extra wide gauge of the Eurotunnel Shuttle takes vehicles under the English Channel. These trains loop around either end of the tunnel.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotunnel_Shuttle

The passenger car vehicles are enclosed and pressurised. I believe there are similar arrangements or plans for vehicles going under the alps.

For long distances and in the absence of long tunnels, our existing loading gauge should be fine for motorail, and passengers can travel in separate cars.
 
cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and to see a train on the SSFL!
MY GOODNESS... Lets get back on the topic.   Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Are existing freight times longer (due speed restrictions) during these works.

Does anyone know the time saving along this sector once the works are completed (I'm not after the ARTC's much quoted Melb-Syd target times).

ARTC stated a new timetable (Stage 2) will be out Oct-Nov 2009 - would the current works be operational at that time and presumably factored in (apart from Wodonga Bypass)  Question
 
jimmydirn Locomotive Fireman



Which brings me back to something that I was wondering about with this whole gauge conversion.  How many passing loops did the existing SG line have in this section, and are they to be retained?

- Athol


Seymour loop 1521 m
Longwood loop 1550 m
Violet Town loop 1550 m
Benalla loop 1550 m
Glenrowan loop 1550 m
Alumatta loop 891 m
Chiltern loop 1550 m
Wodonga loop 874 m

Seymour loop Is saying, as for the rest ?

(note there Is a 51.44 km section with no crossing loops to cater for 1500 metre trains between Glenrowan and Chiltern)
- Nightfire


ALL of the existing crossing loops will be removed between Seymour stn and Albury stn except for a single ended siding at Seymour at the existing XL and all if Violet Town retained for maintenance purposes.
 
jimmydirn Locomotive Fireman

I take It that the return of V/Line passenger trains to Albury will not happen until the Wodonga Bypass / New Wodonga Station Is compete and opened.
- Nightfire


"the plan" is to have the west line operational under limited signalling and limited train control (train order) by 1st Dec.  The full and complete project with fully signalled crossovers will be mid 2010.

WRBP will come online around April 2010.

as to when passenger trains start running.. hmm.. i do not know...
 
michinyon Chief Commissioner

who drive all the way from Sydney to Melbourne, with one overnight stop at say Holbrook or Albury.
- A user


What is this,  the 1960's ?      Less than 9 hours now from downtown Sydney to downtown Melbourne,   no traffic lights,  90% dual carriageway.

Why would you take 2 days for this journey unless you were sightseeing.
 
412M Assistant Commissioner

Last year, in a day, I actually went from Hurstbridge at 0830 to Gosford at 1800, with a stop every 2h, so Melbourne-Sydney in a day is easy.
 

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