North East Line to Standard Gauge

 
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option.   However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.   Accordingly the current location was selected instead on the basis that a future second track can be fitted through the area and not disrupt the fibre optic cable, which would cost millions to relocate.
"Trainplanner"


Funny thing, I just was speaking with a mate who tells me that Tullamarine gets all its Avgas from a Victorian Railways pipeline that links Newport with Somerton Fuel storages. The Victorian Railways owned pipeline runs Brooklyn Loop to Albion Loop to Somerton.
Those pipes are also buried beside the SG line at Broadmeadow's, we believe.
This pipelline has gentle curves and is designed to run various liquids through it.
They can isolate the pipe and access it at both ends. When they want to change from Avgas to diesel, they insert a moving plug which separates the two fuels.
When the plug gets to Somerton, they are warned, open and close valves and divert the second product to the appropriate tank, for storage.
We believe a second pipeline runs to Tullamarine direct.
This Somerton facility was a pilot plant. Somerton was going to be the Northern metroploitan fuel distribution point, taking all large fuel tankers off the road, and in particular reducing fuel tankers from the CBD.
A large rail siding was going to service Albury, Wangaratta, Benalla, seymour, Shepparton, Tocumwal Bendigo Swan Hill and by road to Mildura and places West.
Of course The transport lobby won the day, and now I believe the facility at Somerton runs about 25% capacity servicing only Tullamarine.
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


I would love more information about this.

Can someone provide me with links to more information?
"tranzitjim"


The Aviation fuel line is a separate one to the VR fuel line. The Aviation Turbine Fuel line runs from Geelong to Tulla and follows the train line, I don't know exactly to where but. At Altona there is a 2nd pipe line for Avgas fuel line that ends up at Essondon.

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  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Comtrain is correct in saying there is an avgas line from Somerton to Tulla, but I never knew of the line beside the rail line through Broadmeadows, however, it makes sense with the warning signage at various points along the route.

Cheers for the info Comtrain. Smile
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option.   However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.   Accordingly the current location was selected instead on the basis that a future second track can be fitted through the area and not disrupt the fibre optic cable, which would cost millions to relocate.
"Trainplanner"


Funny thing, I just was speaking with a mate who tells me that Tullamarine gets all its Avgas from a Victorian Railways pipeline that links Newport with Somerton Fuel storages. The Victorian Railways owned pipeline runs Brooklyn Loop to Albion Loop to Somerton.
Those pipes are also buried beside the SG line at Broadmeadow's, we believe.
This pipelline has gentle curves and is designed to run various liquids through it.
They can isolate the pipe and access it at both ends. When they want to change from Avgas to diesel, they insert a moving plug which separates the two fuels.
When the plug gets to Somerton, they are warned, open and close valves and divert the second product to the appropriate tank, for storage.
We believe a second pipeline runs to Tullamarine direct.
This Somerton facility was a pilot plant. Somerton was going to be the Northern metroploitan fuel distribution point, taking all large fuel tankers off the road, and in particular reducing fuel tankers from the CBD.
A large rail siding was going to service Albury, Wangaratta, Benalla, seymour, Shepparton, Tocumwal Bendigo Swan Hill and by road to Mildura and places West.
Of course The transport lobby won the day, and now I believe the facility at Somerton runs about 25% capacity servicing only Tullamarine.
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


I would love more information about this.

Can someone provide me with links to more information?
"tranzitjim"


The Aviation fuel line is a separate one to the VR fuel line. The Aviation Turbine Fuel line runs from Geelong to Tulla and follows the train line, I don't know exactly to where but. At Altona there is a 2nd pipe line for Avgas fuel line that ends up at Essondon.
"Shacks"



Don't think so!  Laughing
Not a lot to be found with Google but did find this...

Somerton Pipeline

   Acquisition date: August 2004

   Funds which hold an interest: Colonial First State Wholesale Infrastructure Income Fund

   Investment description:
   The Fund has a 50% interest in CM Somerton Pty Limited, which in turn has a 25% interest in the Somerton Pipeline Joint Venture.

   Somerton Pipeline transports aviation fuel 25 kilometres from the Altona Refinery to the Somerton Depot before being sent to Melbourne’s Tullamarine Airport.

   The pipeline network provides over 85% of aviation fuel to Tullamarine Airport.
"Colonial First State Wholesale Infrastructure Income Fund "


MELBOURNE AIRPORT RAIL LINK DEVELOPMENT PLAN
where an airport rail service via Albion loop.......
any works proposed to protect or relocate the jet fule pipeline owned by the Somerton Pipeline Participants


Cheers
Rod
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Avtur is NOT refined at Altona, Avgas is.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Avtur is NOT refined at Altona, Avgas is.
"Shacks"


Avtur is at the cinema's at the moment...  Laughing
  cookie930 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Spencer Street Station (Not SCS)
Just want to clear up a few points here as my father had previously worked for Shell and wanted to add this about the Somerton Fuel Storage Facility.

-The pipeline runs from Altona to Somerton along the railway easement leased from Victrack.
-The line is owned by AMP and used by Mobil and Shell.
-It is dedicated to transferring Jet A1 fuel only for use at Tullamarine .
-There is no pipeline to Essendon, all of their fuel is delivered by road.
-There was never any intention of using Somerton for anything else but the intermediate storage of Jet A1 fuel.
-There are 2 pipelines running up from Shell Geelong to Shell Newport, in which they transfer all finished products up to Melbourne.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Just want to clear up a few points here as my father had previously worked for Shell and wanted to add this about the Somerton Fuel Storage Facility.

-The pipeline runs from Altona to Somerton along the railway easement leased from Victrack.
-The line is owned by AMP and used by Mobil and Shell.
-It is dedicated to transferring Jet A1 fuel only for use at Tullamarine .
-There is no pipeline to Essendon, all of their fuel is delivered by road.
-There was never any intention of using Somerton for anything else but the intermediate storage of Jet A1 fuel.
-There are 2 pipelines running up from Shell Geelong to Shell Newport, in which they transfer all finished products up to Melbourne.
"cookie930"


Would be nice if someone could come up with the original announcements from yesteryear, that itemised what the Governments intentions were.
However my own digging about shows that Colonial only bought into it relatively recently.
The pipeline was originally owned by a consortium headed by a new Government body called VR pipelines or something similar.
The Government was at the time having troubles with exploding fuel tankers . One near Mount Eliza on a hill beside the beach was particularly alarming people.

I am positive that the announcement was published in the inhouse VR magazine and the newspapers and it was touted as as another business arm of VicRail. I am also positive that it was supposed to be much bigger and was going to be the Northern Fuel Terminal for Melbourne.
Soon after it was finished and up and running, the drivers union was told that the plant would not be expanded to general petroleum product.

That is what we were told. Ask your Dad if he remembers the Sales Manager of Shell Northern  suburbs (80'and 90's) initials WK.? After rationalisation He worked until early retirement under the West Gate bridge in a Shell facility, name escapes me though.
Cheers
Rod
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

I wouldnt have thought there was much demand for avgas at Tullamarine airport.
  gy Junior Train Controller

May I join this off topic dicussion.
Avgas is really high octane petrol for piston engined planes and it would have been surprising to Me if there was a dedicated pipeline to Essendon.
Avtur in the majority of cases is piped directly to an Airport because of the volumes required dailey. Not every plane refuels but if you consider a Jumbo can carry around 100 tons or 100,000 litres ( S.G. not taken into account) you do not need many to refuel before the volumes required are high justifying the capital cost.
Transferring different petroleum products along the same line is very common . To separate the products one method is to launch a "pig" between them at the start of the transfer. These pigs can be quite sophisticated and measure the wall thickness of the line and clean off the build up internaaly as they progress along.
Another method when transferring is to put say avtur behind a diesel transfer and provided the movement does not stop mixing  will only occur for a couple of meters and at the receiving end they watch the specific gravity change to indicate the arrival of the different product. Then after say two hundred cubic meters of flow the product will have changed and can be put to the relivant tank.
Avtur is an easy one as it only lowers the specific gravty of the diesel, lowers the flash point and lowers the cloud point, no negitive effect on the engine. Avtur is purposely mixed for diesel going to mountain areas. That is why you do not by summer diesel and keep it for your winter  trip to Mt. Bulla as you run the risk of your fuel starting to wax up and block your fuel filter, engine stops.
In America thet winterise their Loco's. by removeing the fuel filters for the cold months, the trade off in engine wear is they run and make money.
Enough said as this thread is about Railways and NE standard gauge.
PTE.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
Just saw that the big Liebherr 280t crane that has been working on the Wodonga Rail Bypass has been dismantled and is being loaded onto trucks.  I guess all the heavy lifting is done!
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I wouldnt have thought there was much demand for avgas at Tullamarine airport.
"michinyon"


I suppose the difference is like unleaded and diesel to an Eskimo?
Who cares if you don't use it.

In all the government reports it seems to be called Aviation fuel. How would the average joe, know the difference between avgas and avtur, and even then what difference to does it make to the thread? Apart from some getting a kick out of knowing a little more than the next Wink
Anyway unless the real answers, rather than some guesses are found from the 70's I am out of here
Cheers
Rod

Ok lot of stuff has been found and Marcus will upload it to his web page. For those who are members, and interested check out  VicRail- News
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vicrail-news/

Edit
The Age reports... (The old memory is not so bad after all)  Laughing
http://tinyurl.com/ycdyyao
Thank you Mathew Walker!
Although Somerton did not get upgraded, All 100+  VR tankers were put through Bendigo depot, and upgraded. In most cases the tanks were reconditioned, and placed on new frames, reclaimed from louvre vans then being scrapped. Fitted with new bogies and reclassified to operate at 80 KPH. It appears that NSW actually ran these bulk trains, as the $18 million spent by the Oil Companies reorganising fuel to rail, was Australia wide.
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
How is the conversion going?

When will the passenger trains start running on the SG?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

For the history for the last couple of months have a look at http://www.vicsig.net North East rail revitlisation thread I have been posting there under the name of Woodward.

Will be back here now Its GREAT to be back!!!!!!!

Will manufacture some kind of report.

Woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Most work going on now for a while has been signalling. O"Donnel and Griffen are currently installing the intermediate signalling between Seymour and Benalla.

The Wodinga bypass is largely finished (including signalling) except for work to connect up the East line at Wodonga  West and just south of the Murray.

Albury Dock has been  finished and it looks like the vast majority of the platform work has been finished. Still a couple of small things at Seymour platform 1 such as around 20 metres of timber edgeing adjacent to the ticket office and a fence at the north end.

I will see what  can put up in the way of photos of the bypass work.

Woodford
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Good to see you back in action here, woodford.

I look forward to reading your summary.   Very Happy
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Most work going on now for a while has been signalling. O"Donnel and Griffen are currently installing the intermediate signalling between Seymour and Benalla.

The Wodinga bypass is largely finished (including signalling) except for work to connect up the East line at Wodonga  West and just south of the Murray.

Albury Dock has been  finished and it looks like the vast majority of the platform work has been finished. Still a couple of small things at Seymour platform 1 such as around 20 metres of timber edgeing adjacent to the ticket office and a fence at the north end.

I will see what  can put up in the way of photos of the bypass work.

Woodford
"woodford"


What are works up to on the new Wodonga Station ?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

It's been around 10 days since I have been up there but at that stage they had the steel frame of the station building up up. The progress has been slow for an unknown reason. The platform face has been done of course and been fenced off from  the construction of the building. There were people working on the building though.
The car park has been mostly finished except for the light stands. Pedestrian access via the Melrose drive bridge was being worked on.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Wodonga bypass

The West line has been put through although there is a bar across the track a couple of 100 metres prior to the Murray river bridge. There is a set of points to join the East line and the West line only metres from the south end of the bridge. The East line side of these points going to the old track. The East line stops just off the end of the last bridge, a track panel has been built to connect the East line of the bypass to the points.

At the Wodnga West end of the bypass just before the start of the curve a temporary set of points have been installed to allow work trains to access the East line. It would require little work to put either end through.

The signalling had been installed prior to the laying of the track and appears to be bydirectional.

Looking north across the bridge, Note the last bit of BG left of the NE line.
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Looking towards Melbourne, Note track panel upper centre just to the left of that just can be seen the bar across the West line. Note also the East line on the bridge in the background.
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  woodford Chief Commissioner

Stations
Completed are the following, with notes
Albury dock,
Chiltern looks finished,
Springhurst looks finshed but still has construction fences up (last week)
Wangarrata, neither of the crossvers north or south of Wang have had the point motors and linkages finished.
Benalla, both of the  crossovers north and south and the Oakland line point motors are now wired up. First train to Oaklands was 7th march poured like hell. Got a good set of shots though on the mondays train (2nd train). I beleive the the up end crossover and the Oakland line points can now be controled remotely, all three points only have a single clip on them.
Violet Town
Euroa
Avenel, just been completed looks finished, still has barrier tape up though on platform 1.
Seymour,  all but 20 metres of platfrom 1 is accessable so one would say we now have 3 platforms here.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Most work going on now for a while has been signalling. O"Donnel and Griffen are currently installing the intermediate signalling between Seymour and Benalla.

The Wodinga bypass is largely finished (including signalling) except for work to connect up the East line at Wodonga  West and just south of the Murray.

Albury Dock has been  finished and it looks like the vast majority of the platform work has been finished. Still a couple of small things at Seymour platform 1 such as around 20 metres of timber edgeing adjacent to the ticket office and a fence at the north end.

I will see what  can put up in the way of photos of the bypass work.

Woodford
"woodford"


What are works up to on the new Wodonga Station ?
"Nightfire"

It looked like this on 24/4/10:

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

Was up there very late april had not changed significantly.
  trainfreak Site Admin

Had a look see before work on Thursday, car park is currently finished and there were people working on the platform. Personally, I can't wait till its finished!
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
For the history for the last couple of months have a look at http://www.vicsig.net North East rail revitlisation thread I have been posting there under the name of Woodward.

Will be back here now Its GREAT to be back!!!!!!!

Will manufacture some kind of report.

Woodford
"woodford"


Great  = I look forward to your report.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Signalling,
In the past week 8 separate signals have been installed between Avenel and Euroa these are,
,
All signals have single colour bottom light
All signals on the outside of the track, ie to the Left side as the driver sees
Start of double track is aprox 100.0 Km
West line north bound
122.1 Km 3 colour, just north of the site of Monea station
125.4 Km 2 colour

146.3 Km 3 colour, about 30 metres up side of Angle rd LX
150.3 Km 2 colour about 20 metres up side of Birkett st LX

151.0 Km Euroa station

East line South Bound
150.3 Km 3 colour about 20 metres down side of Birkett st LX
146.3 Km 2 colour about 15 metres down side of Angle rd LX

125.4 Km 3 colour
122.1 Km 2 colour about 30 metres down side of LX

122.1 Km and 125.4 Km have existing signal installations for the East line. It looks a though the new signals will be replacing the old.

Violet Town
A base for a signal was being installed for the East line at aprox 171.8 Km (just past the level crossing north of the East lines loop) A base has already been installed for the West line at this site just to the up side of the crossing. It was done when they were doing the Harmon crossing controlers.

2 signal stand bases and a large pit has been unload by the line at aprox 174.8 Km. There are existing signals for the East line both at 171.8 and 174.8 Km. So these will likely be replaced by the new signals.

Signal stand bases have already been installed due to Harmon controler works on the West line at the up side of both Cemetery rd (191.8 Km) and Arundel st (194,3 Km) level crossings, Benalla station is at 195.3 Km.

It would appear that the Seymour north to Benalla will be divided into 4 sections aprox 24 kilometers long.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Summary of work South of Seymour,

On march 3rd I traveled down to Melbourne Passing lane 4 had been put through. This meant the old signal cabin and all the old signals for the SG just south of Tallarook had been removed. The signals were switched on but were still crossed out.
The loco doing the testing was our old friend T342.

Passing lanes 3 and 4 were commisioned by the end of the week.

Broadford loop was removed almost imediately as a matter of fact I beleive the down end points had already been removed when I came back on the 3rd. Unfortunaetly the sprinters do around 120KPH around there not a real good siteseeing speed.

Passing lane 2,
All track work has been finished apart from 2 short sections where the signals are for the  Donnybrook loop. For these track panels have been built.
As of around 3 weeks ago no signaling work apart from some ducting had been done.

Broadmedows,
The SG platorm concrete work has been done (ie the platform is there) but no fitting out has been done at all as of 3 weeks ago. No fences or anything.

If anyone has any questions about work done in the past months please ask, memory can always play tricks on you.

Woodford

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