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J541 Beginner

Ive heard that Steamrail's tour that is being run next month commerating the 70th anniversary of the "Spirit of Progress" is going to be the last broad gauge steam trip to run from Melbourne to Albury, due to the line being converted to SG. Is this true?


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wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
What's the problem with the North East going standard gauge? Gauge convert the locos as well, and we can show those New South Welshmen what a real steamer looks like. Twisted Evil
 
NSWGR 3827 Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Border
What's the problem with the North East going standard gauge? Gauge convert the locos as well, and we can show those New South Welshmen what a real steamer looks like. Twisted Evil
- wongm


It's not looks that matter, it's how they go!
 
GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
What's the problem with the North East going standard gauge? Gauge convert the locos as well, and we can show those New South Welshmen what a real steamer looks like. Twisted Evil
- wongm


It's not looks that matter, it's how they go!
- NSWGR 3827


This is a strange reply for a person whose RP name is that of 3827. The loco which which was withdrawn and scrapped just after equal to the best ascent ever of Cowan Bank. A little over 10 mins of the best steam action in Australia.
 
wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Well, at least one R is in the process of being converted, so we have one loco at least!  SmileLaughing

And there's more opportunity for NSW locos running all the way to Melbourne then...

Still, better get out and get on the train, photograph, film it and simply experience it then, if it's supposedly the "last" BG steam tour on that line.

Wolfpac
 
LowndesJ515 Chief Commissioner

Location: Goulburn
I think they might mean Last BG steam from Wodonga to Albury!
 
wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
All in the detail, huh?  EmbarassedLaughingLaughing

Oh well, doesn't hurt to be on the tour, and photograph, video and look at the tour, especially at Albury/Woodonga then!  Smile

Wolfpac
 
route14 Chief Commissioner

I think they might mean Last BG steam from Wodonga to Albury!
- LowndesJ515

If the line wasn't going to be converted to SG, how can one predict this to be the last steam on this line?
 
LowndesJ515 Chief Commissioner

Location: Goulburn
I think they might mean Last BG steam from Wodonga to Albury!
- LowndesJ515

If the line wasn't going to be converted to SG, how can one predict this to be the last steam on this line?
- route14


I think you will find that in April next year, the BG from Wodonga to Albury will be no more. There is supposed to be something happening in that month. Someone that knows more details can post about it. I have seen/read about this somewhere.
 
sthyer Deputy Commissioner

While it does seem to be a badly kept secret, no offical announcement has been made yet on standardising the North-East. It almost certainly will happen, ARTC have publically stated their intentions in their submission to the Regional Freight Network review, which are available online on the DoI freight section.

Whether it happens only beyond Seymour or from Craigeburn (one BG line to SG) seems to be still an unknown, my money is only beyond Seymour. Who pays for the conversion of the Oaklands branch may be an arguing point too. Stay tuned for the official word (and official date that conversion will commence).
 
route14 Chief Commissioner

Would that mean V/Line will run SG trains to Albury?
What about Mildura line?
 
drwaddles In need of a breath mint
 
Netherealm Train Controller

Location: Chelsea, Victoria
For those who are interested in reading the document (thanks Crazy for the link), most of the info about the NE BG is on page 9.

Re: the Oaklands Branch, from what I've read so far, should the NE be converted to SG, the ARTC is leaving it up to the Victorian Government to decide whether or not to retain the branch, and if so, to develop a strategy to gauge convert the line if need be.
 
VRfan - Moderator Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
It wouldn't suprise me if the government does a Heywood - Mt Gambier on the Oaklands branch. (ie: "services suspended" and leave it as BG) :/
 
Capegauge Chief Train Controller

I have never read anything sillier

Who is conducting the review? Right Hon Tim Fischer

Where does Tim Fischer live?

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YES that's right Boree Creek


Remind me again where Boree Creek is?

Lets do the sums:

1 Railfanning former Deputy PM

PLUS

2 wheat branchlines to Oaklands, one from Benalla and one from The Rock

equals

CLOSURE?

I don't think so!
 
DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

The Rock to Oaklands has long been closed.

The question re the NorthEast Standard Gauge conversion is will V/Line waste our Victorian taxes extending the passenger train running from Albury to Wagga Wagga.

The is no community service obligation as its another state and with a nine cent in the dollar cost recovery overall, it would be money well wasted.

Yet there seems to be a fair bit of talk in that direction.
 
drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
It would make direct business sense if V/Line could run a profit on the Albury-Wagga leg of the journey - i.e. factoring only costs that are specific to that leg, such as additional operating costs and additional access fees. Whether that is posisble is another matter.

There are also possible indirect benefits of such a service to Victoria as a state, and to other Government departments, but not necessarily benefits that will impact on V/Line's bottom line. However, due to current accounting processes it seems unlikely that these would be factored into the equation...
 
VRfan - Moderator Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I have never read anything sillier
- Capegauge


You must be talking about your own post here.


Who is conducting the review? Right Hon Tim Fischer

Where does Tim Fischer live?



YES that's right Boree Creek


Remind me again where Boree Creek is?

Lets do the sums:

1 Railfanning former Deputy PM

PLUS

2 wheat branchlines to Oaklands, one from Benalla and one from The Rock

equals

CLOSURE?

I don't think so!
- Capegauge


So what if he lives at Boree Creek. Funny how the line beyond there to Oaklands is closed by the way...

I seriously doubt he alone has the authority to decide how to spend victorian taxpayer's money. The review he is leading is simply that, a review, ie: a recommendation. Even if that review recommended that the line should be gauge converted, I couldn't see the government spending $$$ on it if the cost wasn't offset by the grain coming out of that line. If we weren't in the middle of a long term drought, then maybe it would be converted, but with the current conditions I doubt it.

If the Adelaide line was standardised now, could you honestly see them converting Murtoa - Hopetoun and Dimboola - Yaapeet? I doubt it. The Ouyen to Panitya line is being suspended and that doesn't even require gauge conversion at the moment.
 
tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The Oatlands route would be a perfect 'alturnate route' between The Rock and Wangaratta.

Should there be a blockage around say Wodonga or Albury, then the trains can go around via Oatlands to get around it.

The only problem at this moment is, the break of gauge prevents this.
 
Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
You can actually see the old formation north of Oaklands in this photo - sadly all farmland now!!!

 
fcic0rscvgs0 Assistant Commissioner

Location: RMIT University
Is the BG to Albury really going to be converted?

I'll miss seeing the V/Line Intercity racing the Countrylink XPT.
 
rjcas SprogMasterZer0

Is the BG to Albury really going to be converted?

I'll miss seeing the V/Line Intercity racing the Countrylink XPT.
- fcic0rscvgs0

Yes, it is really going.
 
SafetyOfficer Train Controller

Location: NSWGR
Um, Tim Fischer lives in Wodonga? He has been there a while.....


The North East B/G will be converted to S/G and run by Train Order until the alterations are made to accommodate the exiting B/G infrastructure to the S/G Network.

Thats the word so far.
 
Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Considering that both lines are effectively 2 way running, would it make sense to continue this approach (like the Geelong line) rather than a traditional one up, one down line (like the old Bendigo line)? Would make it easier for overtaking moves.
 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The North East B/G will be converted to S/G and run by Train Order until the alterations are made to accommodate the exiting B/G infrastructure to the S/G Network.
- SafetyOfficer
That's the second hand news I have also heard.

Considering that both lines are effectively 2 way running, would it make sense to continue this approach rather than a traditional one up, one down line? Would make it easier for overtaking moves.
- Ballast_Plough
The reason I heard for the retention of the old system is that the design work for the safeworking is yet to be completed - gauge conversion and operation as two separate routes is supposedly first, then new signalling and intermediate crossovers between both lines following after. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it sounds logical.
 

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