The Large Erecting Shop - Its future Part 2

dthead · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:52 pm

The Large Erecting Shop - Its future PART 2

I have locked and unstickied the original thread when it went off topic.
READ the following again everyone !

This thread is solely for the preservation of the large Erecting Shed. It is NOT for RTM/3801 Ltd bashing (or any other operator). The politics of the Government can come into it, but I'll expect to see discussion as to what can be done, and how to go about it.
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* The Large Erecting Shop - It's future
* 3801 sightings
* Rail Transport Museum
* 3801 Ltd.

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dthead · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:53 pm

Original Thread: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11325321-s0.htm

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Structurefire · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:59 pm

Redwatch have posted a new update on their website regarding the Eveleigh Site, including The Large, being placed on the National Trust top 10 list of Australia's heritage at risk. It makes for some interesting reading:

Redwatch:
http://www.redwatch.org.au/update/update071107#_Toc182206660

Heritagerisk media release mentioned in article:
http://www.heritageatrisk.org.au/Nov%202%20NSW%20receives%20boost%20in%20national%20heritage%20struggle.pdf

FoE Concept plan mentioned in article:
http://www.redwatch.org.au/RWA/statesignificant/southeveleigh/whatif/070730foe/download

fernhill · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:40 am

At least the LES has all the equipment required to service locos.

Not just a fancy round carport

Get behind the National Trust as we can see what this government is doing to our cultural heritage and the skills that go with it.

Just look at public transport generally, then look at hospitals, DOCS, desalination and the run down of museums and other cultural institutions.

SAVE EVELEIGH FROM $ARTOR
I don't think anything has changed?????

dthead · Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:01 pm

One of the unpleasent jobs as a moderator is get the equal annoyance from both sides of any argument/flare up, and I know by pruning a lot of flames from this thread, that may be the case.

But gee lets report what does happen with the LES, and what events are happening to save it, or at leat preserve it's use or existance. Doesn't matter if they can do a web site properly - or how well a group are organised.

Facts, dates, accounts of visits to gov about the issue etc. sighting at the LES, it's condition today etc are all USEFUL stuff for US ALL. List the groups who are involved etc.

Let's try this again !

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fernhill · Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:17 am

I've just been to a great exhibition at the National Trust featuring the Large.
Great paintings by Jane Bennett with a few known identities such as 3801 and workers

You can preview it at
http://www.nsw.nationaltrust.org.au/events/festival/2006/janebennett/

She has also painted the last days of Darling Harbour (also closed down by $artor as he turns our town into real estate and concrete). The Carriage Works and Walsh Bay are also featured before the big end of town got their hands on them with a little help.

Go and have a look
Observatory Hill

I think she my just follow $artor around painting everything Mr Casanova touches - before he $%#&^%%&^ it.

Also thanks everybody who has been sending protest letters in to save the Large - you can get details of the Premiers email address off Redwatch if you want to help

SAVE EVELEIGH FROM $ARTOR
I don't think anything has changed?????

MBAX · Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:03 pm

dthead · Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:42 pm

I'll echo Mbax - 'So what is your point' Timothy ?

This is a LES thread not a 3801 Ltd. or RTM etc etc thread.

ps I am expecting a PM or a post to explain Timothy - this as a Moderator.

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T251 · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:13 am

by a large erecting shop, do you mean mass production of locos?

a6et · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:14 am

tbohlsennswssrg · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:08 am

Sorry

Just Explaining to people who didn't know why 3801 Limited was formed.

P.S Have Deleted that post

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fernhill · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:11 pm

There is an update of activities happening at the LES on Redwatch
It is ticking along
So if your interested in NSW Rail history and saving it - have a look

http://www.redwatch.org.au/media/080130foe/

SAVE EVELEIGH FROM $ARTOR
I don't think anything has changed?????

fernhill · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:06 am

May be its time for all the heritage rail operators to get together considering what's happening in NSW.
I can see (don't need a crystal ball)that we will all be losers.
No LES, no museum for the RTM, no South Maitland, no rollingstock or locomotives.

SAVE EVELEIGH FROM $ARTOR
I don't think anything has changed?????

MBAX · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:12 pm

This couldn't be OUR Frank Sartor could it??

Donations row: Sartor snaps at 'scumbags'

Posted 1 hour 17 minutes ago

Map: Queanbeyan 2620
Related Story: Iemma threatens journos amid donations tension
Related Story: Sartor stands by contract for $165k donor
Related Story: NSW urged to act on ICAC's donation call
New South Wales Planning Minister Frank Sartor has indicated he may take legal action against journalists who he says have unforgivably trashed his reputation.

Earlier today, Premier Morris Iemma lashed out at journalists and threatened that they could face a libel suit if they continued to question Mr Sartor's integrity.

Mr Sartor has come under scrutiny over a decision to approve a housing development by a major ALP donor in Queanbeyan, against the advice of his own planning committee.

The Minister has also faced questions over whether he was soliciting donations from developers whose applications he was considering.

During a rowdy Question Time today, the Opposition asked Mr Sartor about the Queanbeyan property deal.

One Opposition MP was ejected and another, planning spokeman Brad Hazzard, had his microphone switched off when he told Mr Sartor: "You're the fool because you took $164,000 for the Labor Party before you made the decision."

In an answer taking around 20 minutes, Mr Sartor said he had done nothing wrong.

"These people who other people might charitably refer to as scumbags - but I won't, Mr Speaker - continue to trash people's reputation..." he said.

"I value my reputation. I think that these loose asides and trashing of someone's reputation is unforgivable.

"My decisions all stand on their record. No-one has ever been able to say I have ever acted improperly or partially on anything, and that has stood the test of time."

Mr Iemma accused the Opposition of trying to smear Mr Sartor's reputation.

"If you have an allegation to make about improper conduct, evidence or information, there is a standing royal commission called the ICAC [Independent Commission Against Corruption] to take it to," he said.

Developer defends Sartor
The developer of the land at the centre of the Queanbeyan controversy, Bob Winnell, says nothing untoward has occurred.

Mr Sartor rezoned land to allow for the development in Queanbeyan last year, after his planning committee deemed the area unsuitable because of excessive aircraft noise from Canberra Airport.

The company that requested the rezoning approval, Village Building Company, had donated $164,900 to Labor over the past five years.

The deal delivered it a windfall of more than $100 million.

Mr Sartor says the donations did not influence his decision and he approved the development because of the area's housing shortage.

Mr Winnell, the company's chief executive, says his company has never sought nor received any benefits from political donations.

"Our donations have been on websites for up to five years," he said.

"They're readily available to the public. They're not disguised and they're not aiming at anything improper."

He says it would be a departure from normal practice if the land at Tralee was not approved.

"I find it a little intriguing that the legal framework and the planning framework only pointed to one area of the region for future residential development - and that area is the area including Tralee," he said.

"And now we are being accused of some impropriety or departing from normal practice."

Mr Sartor says he was lobbied by both it and the local community to rezone the land.

"I had a choice - do I just go with the panel's recommendation and allow one developer to have a monopoly on the supply of land in Queanbeyan at a time of rising prices or do I try and accommodate 25 years of growth, which is what we've done everywhere else in the state," he said.

22nd November can't come quick enough...

http://roy-marshall.fotopic.net/

JoeT · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:30 pm

I'm more worried about this:

Heritage advisers will take on development under office amalgamation

Wendy Frew
February 19, 2008

THE body responsible for providing heritage advice to the State Government will be folded into the Department of Planning in a move critics fear could seriously undermine protection of heritage buildings and sites in NSW.

Heritage Office staff will be integrated into the Department of Planning's development assessment and policy teams, with heritage experts placed in teams assessing development proposals.

The Heritage Office supports the Heritage Council of NSW, which will continue to function as a statutory body advising the Minister of Planning, Frank Sartor.

A Planning Department spokesman said the change would "elevate consideration of heritage matters into the heart of the department's core activities".

But the merger will exacerbate a conflict between protection of heritage and the planning process, said the Opposition's heritage spokesman, Brad Hazzard.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/heritage-advisers-will-take-on-development-under-officeamalgamation/2008/02/18/1203190740575.html