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jumboman44211
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:52 pm
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Coming to a railway near you.............9201 to 9216.
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Mike_in_the_west
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:03 pm
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Easter time apparently.
Coal and Intermodal will both be using them apparently. From what I've been told anyway. Fact or smeg?
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8203
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:17 pm
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Coal and Intermodal will both be using them apparently. From what I've been told anyway. Fact or smeg? |
Will they be halfed between Coal and Intermodel all just be alocated to each division when needed?
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BDA
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:33 pm
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I've no idea about the Coal Division but Intermodal is very short of motive power ATM . One can only hope that if the situation is bad enough the order may be extended .
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Mike_in_the_west
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:38 pm
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Is it common for Australian companies to have options for "x more"?
Over in the US, its very common to have an order for 75 ES44DC's, then the company has an "option" to order another 15 of them as apart of the complete package (if that makes sense).
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42209
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:32 pm
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Excuse me if this is a silly question or if it has already been answered but will we see these locos in Sydney at all? Also where can I find out more info on the 92 class?
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KngtRider
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:20 am
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This is the third thread regarding these locos !
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11328194-0-asc-s0.htm Pacific National New Loco's
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11329532-0-asc-s0.htm New Locos For Pacific National
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The supply of fifteen 4300HP GE Cv43-ACi locomotives, with options for additional quantities, for
Pacific National (PN). The locomotives will offer increased traction effort and haulage capacity
and are ideally suited to PN’s coal haulage task in the Hunter Valley and general freight carriage
requirements on the Australian standard gauge network. The locomotives will be configured and
built at United Group Rail’s Broadmeadow facility in New South Wales
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http://www.unitedgroupltd.com/templates/pdf/070725%20ASX-Media%20Release_%20Rail%20Resources.pdf
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| jumboman44211 wrote: | | Coming to a railway near you.............9201 to 9216. |
They have taken an option for a 16th unit already ?
| Mike_in_the_west wrote: | | Easter time apparently. |
In the other thread :
"The locomotives are expected to be in service from April 2008." RD April 2007, as per NR109 in "New Locos For Pacific National"
You also wrote "search is your friend" in that one :p
| Mike_in_the_west wrote: | | Coal and Intermodal will both be using them apparently. From what I've been told anyway. Fact or smeg? |
'Generally suited' is just a statement indicating that general design/application for the loco and that it does not have any factors that can restrict its operations eg weight. What PN do with them is another matter and we will find this eventually what they will do with them
Also because these PRs are submitted to the ASX they must be rather careful to what foward looking statements are made. It is worse in the USA.regarding this sort of thing as there are several pieces of recent legislation governing what they can and cant say
If say, a loco manufactuer came out and said 'hey! we just got order for 100 uber locos for customer Z and they are going to use them on their block export coal trains' This may perk up the ears of some financial and industry analysts as this says A. Coal tonnage is up B. The railway has secured additional contracts and C. The particular coal producers have boosted capacity. These can affect share prices.
So saying general statements like 'these locos are best suited for uses A,B and/or C' is a safer statement to make regardless if parties involved know otherwise. Of course analysts can disect releases like that and make their own judgements and predictions from whatever is written ....
| Mike_in_the_west wrote: | | Is it common for Australian companies to have options for "x more"? |
BL Class/G Class is probably the most famous recent example*
UGR said : "with options for additional quantities" and Jumboman posted a different order size to what was declared in the PR
| 42209 wrote: | | Also where can I find out more info on the 92 class? |
UGR should eventually update their website to reflect this new model but they have not been yet,maybe closer to when the locos will be finished, so meanwhile so you would probably have to talk to someone 'in the know'.
You never know, the lack of information other than the neccesary Press Release might be intentional as the EMD AC versus GE AC 'competition' has begun in earnest in the local market
| 42209 wrote: | | but will we see these locos in Sydney at all? |
Good Point. Since UGR said they can be used for different purposes it is possible
The 90 class have not been to Sydney in a very long time, 5000 has not visited yet and there may be occasional chance to see the SCT class pass through Sydney
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KRviator
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:40 am
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| 8203 wrote: | | Will they be halfed between Coal and Intermodel all just be alocated to each division when needed? |
Latest figure I've heard at Enfield is 10 for Coal and 5 for Intermodal.
| KngtRider wrote: | | The 90 class have not been to Sydney in a very long time |
Dunno who told you that, but there was one in DELEC a fortnight ago paying a visit to the wheel lathe. They are fairly regular visitors down here, though I've yet to catch one at the same time I've got my camera with me for some cabshots.
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EMD-SD45X
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:40 pm
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 I wonder if PacNat have looked at the option of "B" Units instead as they run a lot of multi loco lash-ups and this would not only free up the cabbed units but also be cheaper to purchase, just a thought.
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David Peters
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:13 pm
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B units do have something against them though, witness their demise in the States. The main one being that they cannot operate by themselves and thus must sit there when you need a cab unit not a B unit. The longer they sit around like this the less money they make! 
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M636C
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:24 pm
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| EMD-SD45X wrote: | | I wonder if PacNat have looked at the option of "B" Units instead as they run a lot of multi loco lash-ups and this would not only free up the cabbed units but also be cheaper to purchase, just a thought. |
Pacific National are already the only operators of B units in Australia.
Remember that they own the three XRB class locomotives built at Dynon and they should know the advantages and disadvantages as well as anyone.
If they don't order any more, the disadvantages must outweigh the advantages, if they do, viice versa.
M636C
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Duncs
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:59 pm
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How much will they weigh? Also what is their maximum operational speed?
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biqua
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:55 pm
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This is a silly question I know, but can AC locos MU in normal operation with older (read non-AC) units? I'm assuming yes, so long as the traction effort is similar?
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nic
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:25 pm
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I'm guessing that they'll look exactly like an NR but with AC traction Equipment??? Or will they have HI-AD bogies like a QRN 5000 (but minus the extra traction tonnage obviously)
Nic Collins (SAR fanatic and PRR supporter)
Gotta luv the sound of a Turbo'd 16 cylinder !!
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flying_donkey
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:32 pm
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The 92's have been specified to work MU'd with the existing fleet (standard jumper pin arrangement). Whether the 10% rule will come in to play, who knows.
| Duncs wrote: | | How much will they weigh? Also what is their maximum operational speed? |
Probably the same as an NR if they're as going to do work for intermodal.
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