3112 - What's it up to?

 
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
... He may live in the ACT
"Jeremy_Williams"

Scotland, actually.....
"Duffy"

Oh...... **** Why don't the bloke donate 3112 to ARHS ACT? He will only be in Australia once every 20 years.
"Jeremy_Williams"


Oh so you know the bloke then??? and you know for a fact that he only comes out here every 20 years then???

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  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
A real pity this loco hasn't turned a wheel for so long. I've always regarded it as one of the most pristine preserved operating steam locos in NSW (is it still carrying the paintwork from when it was restored in the 1980s?).

As already said though, it is up to the owner when it runs.
  MrNathan Chief Commissioner

Location: In and out.
He may live in the ACT but can't pay the expenses of running, It cost HEAPS to run a loco.
"Jeremy_Williams"


The guy owns a castle in Scotland. Something tells me money might not be an issue.

I read that it cost $10,000 for NSWRTM just to do a trip to Mossvale and return? The owner must not have all of the $$$ or 3112 would be used on ARHS tours with 3016.
"Jeremy_Williams"


So, running tours with ARHS ACT is an indication of how much money a locomotive owner has? Get a grip. All he wanted was his own steam loco. And he got it. How hard is that to comprehend?

Hey, 3137 has a chance of operating
"Jeremy_Williams"


No, it doesn't. Major boiler work is required, and previous intentions to scuttle the boiler from 3085 have been quashed as that loco will be required elsewhere.

oh wait the RTM won't get 5910 operating.........
"Jeremy_Williams"


Not without some serious (aka brand new) firebox work. People just do not understand that the 59 needs major surgery.
  daves_t186 Chief Train Controller

Just jump the fence, fire it up and drive off with the thing! It would be rather funny to see on the news!
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Just jump the fence, fire it up and drive off with the thing! It would be rather funny to see on the news!
"daves_t186"


Yes, i could see it now, "Steam Train Stolen, Owner Steaming" Laughing
but in all honesty, the track where it is stored is very below par, and on the other side of the fence, there are dogs
  jumboman44211 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Depot No. 20
Just jump the fence, fire it up and drive off with the thing! It would be rather funny to see on the news!
"daves_t186"


Yes, i could see it now, "Steam Train Stolen, Owner Steaming"
"Jajb94"


Already been done............
  MrNathan Chief Commissioner

Location: In and out.
Just jump the fence, fire it up and drive off with the thing! It would be rather funny to see on the news!
"daves_t186"


Yes, i could see it now, "Steam Train Stolen, Owner Steaming"
"Jajb94"


Already been done............
"jumboman44211"


If I recall correctly, it was this bloke, this engine and and a few other blokes from the same company...

[bigimg]http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f89/The4thDivision/P1000667.jpg[/bigimg]

Made the news, the papers, a few choice periodicals...
  JoeT Assistant Commissioner

So, it has been almost a year since we last discussed 3112. Has anything changed in her world?
  Benny3801 Beginner

Well All i know is that The Boiler 1) 3112 is privately owned
2) The boiler ticket has expired
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
And that's all there is to say.
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
Anything new?
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Anything new?
"Henry"


Umm, how can I say this, no.
Nothing has changed.
  JoeT Assistant Commissioner

I think I might get some mates together, rent a low-loader and whisk her away in the middle of the night to a new home.....
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
I think I might get some mates together, rent a low-loader and whisk her away in the middle of the night to a new home.....
"JoeT"


Say 'Hi' to the Dog whilst you are at it.
  tbuff Station Staff

Ever since 3112 has been in Canberra people have been asking the status of the engine.  As everyone knows it is privately owned and if the owner chooses to have it stuffed and mounted not much anyone can do about it - so much the pity!!.  It will make headlines if it ever runs again.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask what 1210 3016 3102 4807 are up to????
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Ever since 3112 has been in Canberra people have been asking the status of the engine. As everyone knows it is privately owned and if the owner chooses to have it stuffed and mounted not much anyone can do about it - so much the pity!!. It will make headlines if it ever runs again. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask what 1210 3016 3102 4807 are up to????
"tbuff"


Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask the ARHS yourself, or even pay them a visit.

But since you asked,
1210, wheel repairs have been completed, waiting on paperwork from ITSR
3016, boiler stays undergoing replacement, sometime this month.
3102, next to be in overhaul. hopeful of it starting within 24 months.
4807, repairs have been undertaken, damage was limited. replacement parts are being sourced.


  tbuff Station Staff

Ever since 3112 has been in Canberra people have been asking the status of the engine. As everyone knows it is privately owned and if the owner chooses to have it stuffed and mounted not much anyone can do about it - so much the pity!!. It will make headlines if it ever runs again. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask what 1210 3016 3102 4807 are up to????
"tbuff"


Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask the ARHS yourself, or even pay them a visit.

But since you asked,
1210, wheel repairs have been completed, waiting on paperwork from ITSR
3016, boiler stays undergoing replacement, sometime this month.
3102, next to be in overhaul. hopeful of it starting within 24 months.
4807, repairs have been undertaken, damage was limited. replacement parts are being sourced.

"Jajb94"


Thanks for the update.  I had intended to come down for the Volunteers day when 3016 was scheduled to run.  When I found out that 3016 was not a goer I didn't bother.  Hard to find out what's going on with the ARHS when the web site is so out of date.  http://www.arhsact.org.au/  Check it out for yourself.  Does this reflect on the general wellbeing of the ARHS??
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Ever since 3112 has been in Canberra people have been asking the status of the engine. As everyone knows it is privately owned and if the owner chooses to have it stuffed and mounted not much anyone can do about it - so much the pity!!. It will make headlines if it ever runs again. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask what 1210 3016 3102 4807 are up to????
"tbuff"


I don't see a problem with people asking after the status of the locomotive in a thread specifically designed for the purpose.
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
 Thanks for the update. I had intended to come down for the Volunteers day when 3016 was scheduled to run. When I found out that 3016 was not a goer I didn't bother. Hard to find out what's going on with the ARHS when the web site is so out of date. http://www.arhsact.org.au/ Check it out for yourself. Does this reflect on the general wellbeing of the ARHS??
"tbuff"


The website has a replacement under development.
  JoeT Assistant Commissioner

Ever since 3112 has been in Canberra people have been asking the status of the engine. As everyone knows it is privately owned and if the owner chooses to have it stuffed and mounted not much anyone can do about it - so much the pity!!. It will make headlines if it ever runs again. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask what 1210 3016 3102 4807 are up to????
"tbuff"


I don't see a problem with people asking after the status of the locomotive in a thread specifically designed for the purpose.
"Raichase"


Exactly. I think we all know her ownership status tbuff, but some of us have a deep interest in this loco and this is a thread dedicated to her afterall.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Does anyone have any more details about this Mr Monroe chap.  It would be a long shot but perhaps a petition to at least allow the engine to be assessed.  Frankly the 30 class engines are probably the most practical engines to have operating in NSW. 
If the RTM and ARHS ACT were to combine efforts they have at my count 3 tank versions and 3 tender versions between them.  With 3112 (most of which is probably in reasonably condition even if the boiler isn't) that would give a total of 7.  Now only one of these engines is currently operational and obviously for the ARHS the day will come when 3016 needs major work and they also may consider working on 3102.  Now even considering that some engines are tank and some are tender versions I would have thought that by far the majority of parts are interchangeable and that would mean that restoring 2 or at most 3 locos at one time could be a very cost effective project.  If you think about it the most cost effective method of operating loco's is to have many loco's of a similar type that are shopped on a merry-go-round basis.  An advantage in the cost of parts fabrication could also be found.  Sooner or later the reality will be that there will be no original boilers left for any preserved loco's and this is fast becoming the case as displayed by 3801 and 3265.  How many years will 6029 have in her for example.  As such it will be necessary to obtain new boilers in the most cost effective manner and building 2 or 3 at a time would be that.  
The 30 class, with both tank and tender versions available are probably the most manageable and adaptable class in an all round sense that we have and it would be a shame for that to not be utilised more if possible.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
1. Regardless of what condition 3112 is kept in, its really nobody's business what its owner does with it. The locomotive was put up for sale back in 2007. The current owner bought it and paid the asking price that others couldn't afford. That's life, end of story. An online petition from 50-100 gunzels without money ( and probably even with) to back it up is not going to change anything.  

2. Yes, the 30 and 30ts are reasonably versatile but your plan to return
The remaining ones to traffic lacks one element- money. At a rough guess, 3102 and 3013s restorations would likely run into 6 figures each. Given its taken 5 years of hard graft from those restoring 6029 (an engine with a high 'wow' factor in enthusiast circles) to raise $60000 in donations, where are the groups getting the money to do these jobs? It's easy to say 'why' you need an engine. Difficulty appears when the 'how' question comes up.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
2. Yes, the 30 and 30ts are reasonably versatile but your plan to return The remaining ones to traffic lacks one element- money. At a rough guess, 3102 and 3013s restorations would likely run into 6 figures each. Given its taken 5 years of hard graft from those restoring 6029 (an engine with a high 'wow' factor in enthusiast circles) to raise $60000 in donations, where are the groups getting the money to do these jobs? It's easy to say 'why' you need an engine. Difficulty appears when the 'how' question comes up.
"Duffy"


Of course it will cost a hell of a lot of money and of course it is difficult.  Did I refute that?  You seem to have missed my point here and you are actually arguing in line with what I am trying to say.  What I am saying is that the ability of either organisation to rock on like they have in the long term will diminish.  All the loco's capable of being put back into operation have very limited lives in them.  This is both in terms of boilers and general mechanical condition.  For the past 40 years the RTM have been able to use many loco's from their extensive collection in a manner that sees what "wear" they had in them after being given to the RTM used up before progressing on to other engines.  So for example engines such as 3203, 3214, 5461, 5910, 3820, 3137 and 3001 were used in the 80's and 90's with minimal (comparatively) post retirement work needing to be done to maintain them each for a decade or so (on average) of on and off running.  All of these engines were then withdrawn as their condition deteriorated.  This is similar with the ARHS, 3102 and 6029.  So there are no longer engines with a bit of wear left in them and as such any projects have to be more major as we have seen with 6029 and 3642's recent overhaul.  These projects have cost an arm and a leg and that has been without needing to source new boilers.
With loco's wearing out and a limited number of spare boilers around (the 36 I believe is the lucky one here) the only way really in the future for loco's to be put into reliable operation for any length of time will be to spend much more money and effort on them. 
So if in the next decade or so we have to get new boilers made then why not 2 or 3 at once for a cheaper per unit cost? Combining the efforts of both RTM and ARHS ACT in a long term project to utilise 30 class engines as future motive power could potentially be the most efficient for end result project that either organisation could apply them selves to. 
This is not ideological, it is realistic and we will have to face the truth of what will be needed so that we can plan for the long term future and maintain both organisations operational capabilities.  All I am trying to do is provide a suggestion to get the ball rolling and people talking on just what we do do in the future.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
2. Yes, the 30 and 30ts are reasonably versatile but your plan to return The remaining ones to traffic lacks one element- money. At a rough guess, 3102 and 3013s restorations would likely run into 6 figures each. Given its taken 5 years of hard graft from those restoring 6029 (an engine with a high 'wow' factor in enthusiast circles) to raise $60000 in donations, where are the groups getting the money to do these jobs? It's easy to say 'why' you need an engine. Difficulty appears when the 'how' question comes up.
"Duffy"


Of course it will cost a hell of a lot of money and of course it is difficult.  Did I refute that?  You seem to have missed my point here and you are actually arguing in line with what I am trying to say.  What I am saying is that the ability of either organisation to rock on like they have in the long term will diminish.  All the loco's capable of being put back into operation have very limited lives in them.  This is both in terms of boilers and general mechanical condition.  For the past 40 years the RTM have been able to use many loco's from their extensive collection in a manner that sees what "wear" they had in them after being given to the RTM used up before progressing on to other engines.  So for example engines such as 3203, 3214, 5461, 5910, 3820, 3137 and 3001 were used in the 80's and 90's with minimal (comparatively) post retirement work needing to be done to maintain them each for a decade or so (on average) of on and off running.  All of these engines were then withdrawn as their condition deteriorated.  This is similar with the ARHS, 3102 and 6029.  So there are no longer engines with a bit of wear left in them and as such any projects have to be more major as we have seen with 6029 and 3642's recent overhaul.  These projects have cost an arm and a leg and that has been without needing to source new boilers.
With loco's wearing out and a limited number of spare boilers around (the 36 I believe is the lucky one here) the only way really in the future for loco's to be put into reliable operation for any length of time will be to spend much more money and effort on them. 
So if in the next decade or so we have to get new boilers made then why not 2 or 3 at once for a cheaper per unit cost? Combining the efforts of both RTM and ARHS ACT in a long term project to utilise 30 class engines as future motive power could potentially be the most efficient for end result project that either organisation could apply them selves to. 
This is not ideological, it is realistic and we will have to face the truth of what will be needed so that we can plan for the long term future and maintain both organisations operational capabilities.  All I am trying to do is provide a suggestion to get the ball rolling and people talking on just what we do do in the future.
"TheFish"


Your post was quite vague in its objectives. My apologies if I misunderstood what you were getting at.

Yes, restorations will get harder as residual mechanical life in the locomotives expires, however, I don't think a bulk buy of boilers is going to solve the cost problem.  For starters your are going to need 2 different new boiler designs and your main cost component is also still going to be the manufacturing process.  Im not an expert in any sense of the word but I suspect for vessels of the 30T size, the savings are going to be minimal particularly if you're planning to manufacture in Australia.

The 2 recent examples of boiler replacement in mainline locomotives were both funded by the Government for the simple reason that neither PHM or RTM would have been able to afford footing the bill.  Given the sustainability of the sector, I can't see this situation changing, particularly in the case of the ARHS which owns the locomotives outright and therefore would likely have to do this without government assistance.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang


Your post was quite vague in its objectives. My apologies if I misunderstood what you were getting at.

Yes, restorations will get harder as residual mechanical life in the locomotives expires, however, I don't think a bulk buy of boilers is going to solve the cost problem.  For starters your are going to need 2 different new boiler designs and your main cost component is also still going to be the manufacturing process.  Im not an expert in any sense of the word but I suspect for vessels of the 30T size, the savings are going to be minimal particularly if you're planning to manufacture in Australia.

The 2 recent examples of boiler replacement in mainline locomotives were both funded by the Government for the simple reason that neither PHM or RTM would have been able to afford footing the bill.  Given the sustainability of the sector, I can't see this situation changing, particularly in the case of the ARHS which owns the locomotives outright and therefore would likely have to do this without government assistance.
"Duffy"


I apologise for the vagueness of my first post.  Yes of course it is probably at this stage not going to be the best solution.  What could be possible though is if at some stage in the future 3001 for example is chosen for an overhaul and the ARHS are looking to do one of their engines then it would make sense for the two organisations to liaise and share what resources they can in a larger joint project.  Your point about government assistance is quite correct and these days it is more likely that assistance will be given (particularly to the ARHS) on a dollar for dollar basis meaning the organisation will have to have half the money. 

What do you mean by 2 different boiler designs? 

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