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PI_Dash_9
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:00 am
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Rio Tinto has had another major incident on it's Pilbara Iron Railway on the Parraburdoo branch. The banker locos returning to Parra have cleaned up a stationary hi-rail at high speed. Fortunately again due to sheer good luck nobody was injured. I am told that the hi-rail operator was out of the vehicle at the time. Will keep you informed when I get more info.
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Controller
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:45 am
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High speed????????????? speed at impact 35 kmh after driver of bankers applied his brakes after confirming that vehicle was actually on track and not off track as driver initially thought.
Train Controller stood aside pending full investigation.
All gave some, Some gave all
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Sheepy
Locomotive Fireman
Joined: Jan 25, 2007
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Location: Perth
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:40 pm
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we should respect the train controller until the investigation has been completed. Having a reputation soured is bad news for train controllers
Sheepy
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PI_Dash_9
Locomotive Fireman
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:28 pm
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| Controller wrote: | High speed????????????? speed at impact 35 kmh after driver of bankers applied his brakes after confirming that vehicle was actually on track and not off track as driver initially thought.
Train Controller stood aside pending full investigation. |
Yeah Controller, you're right it was 35 kph. When I posted it I was informed that it was 80 kph, turns out that was BS. Sorry bout that.
It appears at this stage that during a handover some how the block on the section was lifted. I saw the pics today and the hi-rail was a write off. It would appear that the front of a dash 9 is pretty hard. 
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Controller
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:54 pm
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| Sheepy wrote: | we should respect the train controller until the investigation has been completed. Having a reputation soured is bad news for train controllers
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No one has said anything about the Train Controller except that he has been stood down pending full investigation, which is the fact. BTDT myself.
Anyhow, since when has anyone in management shown any respect for Train Controllers 
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Freddo
Deputy Commissioner
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:40 pm
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| Controller wrote: | | Sheepy wrote: | we should respect the train controller until the investigation has been completed. Having a reputation soured is bad news for train controllers
Sheepy |
No one has said anything about the Train Controller except that he has been stood down pending full investigation, which is the fact. BTDT myself.
Anyhow, since when has anyone in management shown any respect for Train Controllers |
Come on Boys, since when have any management had any respect for any Rail Worker's. Now go put your heads in a bucket of sand in sham 
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Controller
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:16 pm
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Imagine if ATO was in full operation......there would have been no forewarning for the Speno personnel, and I'm afarid that their families would be spending this Xmas minus one of their own plus the speed that the bankers would have struck the hirail would have sent that flying into the countryside and possible derailed the locomotive or arrive Paraburdoo with bits and pieces of the hirail hanging off the front with some minor scratches to the front of the loco.
Unfortunately Freddo, Rio is not alone in their attitude, the other mob up the road are no better, probably worse when it comes to safety and the health and welfare of their employees, which Sheepy is soon to learn again.
Welcome back to the Pilbara for the 3rd time Sheepy, nothing has changed since the last time you were up here mate, in fact it is probably worse, the only thing that keeps on changing is the day of the year.
All gave some, Some gave all
Last edited by Controller on Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:23 pm; edited 2 times in total
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orac68
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:19 pm
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| PI_Dash_9 wrote: | | Rio Tinto has had another major incident on it's Pilbara Iron Railway on the Parraburdoo branch. The banker locos returning to Parra have cleaned up a stationary hi-rail at high speed. Fortunately again due to sheer good luck nobody was injured. I am told that the hi-rail operator was out of the vehicle at the time. Will keep you informed when I get more info. |
I am so glad I don't work on that line anymore 
I think my count was up to 7, the amount of times on paper that a Train Controller has put a Train against me in a Hi-Rail... AND the Controllers were at fault in all instances.
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orac68
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:22 pm
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| Controller wrote: | Imagine if ATO was in full operation......there would have been no forewarning for the Speno personnel, and I'm afarid that their families would be spending this Xmas minus one of their own plus the speed that the bankers would have struck the hirail would have sent that flying into the countryside and possible derailed the locomotive or arrive Paraburdoo with bits and pieces of the hirail hanging off the front with some minor scratches to the front of the loco.
Unfortunately Freddo, Rio is not alone in their attitude, the other mob up the road are no better, probably worse when it comes to safety and the health and welfare of their employees, which Sheepy is soon to learn again.
Welcome back to the Pilbara for the 3rd time Sheepy. |
Was it a Speno Hi-Rail Controller? Do you know if it was call sign RMA?
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Controller
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:34 pm
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| orac68 wrote: | | PI_Dash_9 wrote: | | Rio Tinto has had another major incident on it's Pilbara Iron Railway on the Parraburdoo branch. The banker locos returning to Parra have cleaned up a stationary hi-rail at high speed. Fortunately again due to sheer good luck nobody was injured. I am told that the hi-rail operator was out of the vehicle at the time. Will keep you informed when I get more info. |
I am so glad I don't work on that line anymore
I think my count was up to 7, the amount of times on paper that a Train Controller has put a Train against me in a Hi-Rail... AND the Controllers were at fault in all instances. |
In all fairness to the Train Controllers on both railroads, with the push for the extra tonnages and the newer controllers coming into the system, they are not getting the training that is warranted to run a safe and efficient railroad and the pressure in Train Control arena is unbelievable and believe me, I know, I work in the area and for many, many years, we have been have uphill battles with management (or mismangement as I like to refer them as) in regard to proper and through training for their personnel.
I know this is no excuse for a Train Controller to allow a unsafe operation to occur, but you really have to be in the situation to appreciate what it is like and the pressure which the mismangement teams put on the Train Controller, although they will deny it all the time, but that is the way they operate.....save their own rearend hang the other bloke out to dry and Sheepy has had personal experience of this himself as I have and am still experiencing. Since AWA's were introduced and the union movement slowly edged out, safety issues has got worse and at BHPBIO it has come to the stage where the Train Controller has had to take a soliatary stand against management and in the worse case scenario's which has happened on occasions up here, is to stop operations, until supervision get off their backsides and do something about the issue and unfortunately, that is what the situation has got to come to before anyone will take any notice.
All gave some, Some gave all
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PI_Dash_9
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:22 am
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You have to remember these Controllers in the Pilbara work 12 hr shifts, are very very busy, suffer fatigue and deal with family and home issues same as everyone else. They are not robots, they are mere humans and will make mistakes. I am a Driver and see what these guys do everyday. It is a job I could not do, I would only last one day after which I would go home, drink about 30 beers and never go back.
Controller you are dead right about the ATO. The only thing that saved the two speno guys was the Driver blowing the whistle and slowing the locos. They were working behind the hi-rail with hand tools checking a weld. If they had not heard the whistle they would not have known the locos were coming.
oraca68 it was not RMA, but it was a Speno vehicle.
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orac68
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:28 am
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| PI_Dash_9 wrote: | You have to remember these Controllers in the Pilbara work 12 hr shifts, are very very busy, suffer fatigue and deal with family and home issues same as everyone else. They are not robots, they are mere humans and will make mistakes. I am a Driver and see what these guys do everyday. It is a job I could not do, I would only last one day after which I would go home, drink about 30 beers and never go back.
Controller you are dead right about the ATO. The only thing that saved the two speno guys was the Driver blowing the whistle and slowing the locos. They were working behind the hi-rail with hand tools checking a weld. If they had not heard the whistle they would not have known the locos were coming.
oraca68 it was not RMA, but it was a Speno vehicle. |
Thanks for the info PI_Dash_9, sounds like it was the RMA boys doing some ultrasonic hand testing of welds from what you have said.
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Grainy
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:29 pm
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I would find it hard to beleive that you can use fatigue as an excuse after only 12 hours behind the levers. The only way fatigue could be involved is if they arent using the other 12 hours of the day to rest and recover correctly....
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crisfitz
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:31 am
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| Grainy wrote: | | I would find it hard to beleive that you can use fatigue as an excuse after only 12 hours behind the levers. The only way fatigue could be involved is if they arent using the other 12 hours of the day to rest and recover correctly.... |
Cleary a post made by someone who has never done a 12 hour night shift, where you are under the pump all night !! 
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tank78
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:07 am
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| Grainy wrote: | | I would find it hard to beleive that you can use fatigue as an excuse after only 12 hours behind the levers. The only way fatigue could be involved is if they arent using the other 12 hours of the day to rest and recover correctly.... |
Before you make a statement like this, you had better understand what being a controller is all about Grainy, or else you're likely to upset a few people here.
Being a controller can be one of the most thankless, hair pulling, ulcer inducing jobs going on rail which will leave you mentally fatigued at the end of shift.
Hats of to all of the controllers out there who do it day in, day out, as you certainly would never catch me putting my hand up for it. Drivers (and yes, I come from the foot plate) have nothing on controllers in terms of stress and headaches.
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