PN Victoria - End is Nigh

 
  DMFDMFD Locomotive Fireman

Location: Out There
G'day All
Last Thursday while at Dummy I sat in on a bulk meeting with the big wigs and lets just say things are not looking good for Vic.
Most depots are going to lose alot of staff, one depot has even been told to take one year's leave without pay.
So far there has been a 49% downturn in container traffic in Vic.
All personnel have been given the choice of FR,LSL or Redeployment.
I have been told they are reducing the shops at dynon to less than 15 personnel and the rest contracted out.
The domestic grain is not making money with only the Kensington and Ballarat at the moment, but Sunshine starts again tomorrow.
Hence the reason why now they said only four XR's are only going to be left on BG, to be reviewed.
The only dynon services they are going to guarantee to is the loggy,apex,maryvale and the Linton, so this could result in alot of redeployments.
The depots to redeploy too from memory are
Newcastle
Mudgee
(NRC) Sydney, Perth, Kalgoorlie, Alice Springs and Dimboola.
And when asked by one of the staff does the government know of your plans, the response was yes.
I suppose it doesn't help that the Government closes lines and with this enquiry it is going to get worse, Robinvale line to close at Ultima.
Kulwin line to close at either Berriwillock or Sea Lake (been told two different things from Network and Access).
KPMG are currently doing a full audit of PN vic to whether it will stay or not. Results to be known by early Jan 08.
Merry Xmas to all.
DMFDMFD

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  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton

G'day All

/snip/

The only dynon services they are going to guarantee to is the loggy,apex,maryvale and the Linton

/snip/
"DMFDMFD"


What about Tocumwal, Echuca and the NE?



KPMG are currently doing a full audit of PN vic to whether it will stay or not. Results to be known by early Jan 08.
Merry Xmas to all.
DMFDMFD
"DMFDMFD"


So its still a wait-and-see situation?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I suppose it doesn't help that the Government closes lines
"DMFDMFD"


The Government doesn't close lines unless they have been rendered unsafe through prior lack of invtestment by the operator, or the customers and/or the operator say they have no further use for them.

Bing
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
North East has not yet received a visit (as of last Weds anyway)
PacNat have completed the Kennettization of railways in Victoria.
Defeated premier kennett swore to destroy the railway unions and people when he was in power.
The ALP recently patted themselves on the back for paying out $138 mill(?) to resume ownership of the goat tracks that PacNat (and FA) turned them into. That is country bg railway lines.
With the transfer of all mainline engines not needed in Victoria to Intermodal work and the long term contracting out of wheat and container traffic, (to Toll or assoc. companies?)
the Victorian gov. would not be able to protect their new rail assets. Morally I guess they would have difficulty sending more good money after bad on any lines not operating V/Line passenger services.
Recently I visited Wodonga Council with ideas of continuing a lease of rooms at Wodonga Station. From conversations that day, I now believe that the BG will stay, terminating near the present site of Wodonga sg loop,  opposite the TAFE. However with the freeway and many factories in this area, some form of better access needs be worked out, rather than the long way round on Maloney Drive.
If El Rancho / Uncle Bens decided to do their own shunts and some way can be found to link them into the sg which departs to Albury near the southern end of Wodonga Loop, I can no longer see a need for PacNat crews here past 2008.
The future of Victorian BG lines is now very shaky. PacNat do not want QR or any other competitor to get a foot in. So they would rather close it down (Well they sold the track) and move the useful assets elsewhere.
The Victorian Government will be happy not to take on running trains and therefore divest themselves with the enormous cost of rebuilding the goat tracks, and maintaining them. Even if they decided to restart a Victorian gov owned railway, they would have to replace all the locomotives, hoppers container flats etc etc and then find sufficient crews to operate them. No way!!
No new Passenger services will be contemplated, even those promised during Elections.
The present day main lines (100kph to 115kph) will now be fully funded by passenger operations, meaning out of gov coffers! Now how long can you see Passenger trains operating in Victoria, with the exceptions of Geelong, Ballarat,Bendigo and Traralgon?

I should add that this is all my own opinion. A few words with people I used to work with and a Council  does not help a lot and the accuracy or not,, will have to wait for time to tell Surprised)
Cheers
Rod (other one Wink
  DMFDMFD Locomotive Fireman

Location: Out There

G'day All

/snip/

The only dynon services they are going to guarantee to is the loggy,apex,maryvale and the Linton

/snip/
"DMFDMFD"


What about Tocumwal, Echuca and the NE?



KPMG are currently doing a full audit of PN vic to whether it will stay or not. Results to be known by early Jan 08.
Merry Xmas to all.
DMFDMFD
"DMFDMFD"


So its still a wait-and-see situation?
"574M"


With Echuca nil traffic as no water no rice, Tocumwal may still be some traffic but I am trying to find out whether Patricks has handed back the portlink to PN it was just breaking even, so they might now have the Tocumwal and Mildura goods.
And the NE is awaiting Tim Fishers report and most can be done by the Linton anyway.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Thanks, DMFDMFD

Last week I was "told" that Echuca was down to one day a week, and likely to close until traffic calls for it. I was also "told" that Tocumwal is 5 days per week and just about the only continuing source of container traffic.

When I say "told", I mean I was advised generally by one who works directly in this area, so, other people may have a different perception of what is the case.


Iinteresting times, just when climate change and global warming are about to possibly influence what is on the table with regard to road freight.

On the other hand, terrible times, particularly where relocation and extended leave are offered. It must be a very uncomfortable feeling to be forced to consider other options.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria

G'day All

/snip/

The only dynon services they are going to guarantee to is the loggy,apex,maryvale and the Linton

/snip/
"DMFDMFD"


What about Tocumwal, Echuca and the NE?



KPMG are currently doing a full audit of PN vic to whether it will stay or not. Results to be known by early Jan 08.
Merry Xmas to all.
DMFDMFD
"DMFDMFD"


So its still a wait-and-see situation?
"574M"


With Echuca nil traffic as no water no rice, Tocumwal may still be some traffic but I am trying to find out whether Patricks has handed back the portlink to PN it was just breaking even, so they might now have the Tocumwal and Mildura goods.
And the NE is awaiting Tim Fishers report and most can be done by the Linton anyway.
"DMFDMFD"


What is the Linton?

Industrial will still run, ie the APEX, Logs etc etc.
I wouldnt exactly say that the End is Nigh for Victoria. But then again all DMFDMFD posts is all negative towards Victoria so its to be expected. There are alot of options for Victoria that all need sorting out. Once again, wait until the report comes out in late Jan/early Feb before you start posting anything. Nothing is in concrete yet!
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton

The future of Victorian BG lines is now very shaky. PacNat do not want QR or any other competitor to get a foot in. So they would rather close it down (Well they sold the track) and move the useful assets elsewhere.
"comtrain"


I suspect you are right there, rod; and also suspect the Vic gov't are looking for ways to get Canberra to pay for sg north of Seymour and sg for Mildura.


The Victorian Government will be happy not to take on running trains and therefore divest themselves with the enormous cost of rebuilding the goat tracks, and maintaining them.
"comtrain"


I don't think we will ever see a Vic gov't running freight again. Pass, yes, but freight?


Even if they decided to restart a Victorian gov owned railway, they would have to replace all the locomotives, hoppers container flats etc etc and then find sufficient crews to operate them. No way!!
"comtrain"


Yes, I was having a look at the QRN colour schemes on the G's and wondering about the assets of the people of Victoria now earning money for someone else.  Who would have thought that would come to pass years ago?


No new Passenger services will be contemplated, even those promised during Elections.
"comtrain"


So you are saying the Leongatha Pass is history, no Pass to Mildura, and no VLine Pass to Wagga?


The present day main lines (100kph to 115kph) will now be fully funded by passenger operations, meaning out of gov coffers! Now how long can you see Passenger trains operating in Victoria, with the exceptions of Geelong, Ballarat,Bendigo and Traralgon?
"comtrain"


I'd say Ararat is safe, Warrnambool is safe, Shepparton is safe, and Echuca is safe. Sit back and watch the price of petrol and LPG rise. It is cheaper for me to take a train to Melb and back than to drive a car from Shepparton. About $50 cheaper, (and more if I put in the on-costs for the car).  I might, from time to time, drive to Seymour, that's about $20 in petrol, and then use the train for the rest.

PS: I don't really want to derail this thread; its about freight operators and not pass. As LowndesJ515 says, the casemix for finalising Victorian operations is not yet at a conclusion.

Its still wait-and-see.
  chickhicks Beginner

Just because its a "wait and see" situation still, I don't think that prohibits discussion of the issue. We are talking about several depots being severely downsized or eliminated and many, many jobs on the line. If its valid to discuss imaginary rail lines in the Melbourne suburban forum that could never possibly be made, surely its is valid to discuss something based on what PN staff are being told. It affects many of us and our families as well as those that are interested in careers in the rail industry in Victoria. As 574M says its time to be considering options. Lowdnes trying to stop discussion of the issue doesnt mean your job isn't at risk mate?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Just because its a "wait and see" situation still, I don't think that prohibits discussion of the issue. We are talking about several depots being severely downsized or eliminated and many, many jobs on the line. If its valid to discuss imaginary rail lines in the Melbourne suburban forum that could never possibly be made, surely its is valid to discuss something based on what PN staff are being told. It affects many of us and our families as well as those that are interested in careers in the rail industry in Victoria. As 574M says its time to be considering options. Lowdnes trying to stop discussion of the issue doesnt mean your job isn't at risk mate?
"chickhicks"


Hey im just as worried as everyone else in the state in the old Freight Australia. But the fact is there are that many scenarios out there it isnt funny. It could go either way, im just waiting to see what they put infront of us. Im just weighing up all my options at the moment, but i dont really want to set anything in concrete until i know for sure what the hell is going on. I do really feel for the country depots though.
Really with all the meetings that PN management had last week, told all the employees stuff all! Things we already knew, no answers, just that there would be answers in Late Jan/Early Feb.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
As you say, LowndesJ515, its a stressful time for all concerned.

I'd say that in 12 months time, all the operators in Victoria could look vastly different. I hope for all concerned, that no one lands out on the gorse with nowhere to go. I really do hope that does not come to pass.

Its just so hard to see which way its going to fall. On the other hand, in other threads, it has been mentioned that El Zorro are at the very precipice of opportunity; I sincerely hope all goes right for them, too.

Finally, I wonder, if and when, SRHC will ever be able to be an operator in their own right. But that is off topic.
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
Great - pull out of Victoria completely PN, and let someone else do it. And give us back our Xs, Gs, Ts and Ys. You can keep the As and Ps if you like.
  dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Asciano are giving a shareholder briefing this morning. Their presentation includes the following:

Business restructure

• Rural rail services are underperforming
– Ongoing drought conditions mean outlook is poor
– This volatility does not fit our strategy

• Main business units impacted
– NSW and VIC grain rail networks (PN grain)
– VIC rural rail intermodal services (Patrick Portlink)

• Action plan
– Downsize NSW PN grain operations to bare minimum
– Sell/close VIC PN grain business
– Sell/close VIC Patrick Portlink rural container business
– Sell/close TAS PN Intermodal business  


PN now appears to have only two divisions - Intermodal and Bulk.

The 'Rural' appears to have been dropped from R & B.


Bing
  t_woodroffe Assistant Commissioner

A Class having problems with bogie clearance on the standard gauge?

Something doesn't gel. Victorian locomotives were all ('cept V 544) delivered on bogies built to take either broad gauge or standard gauge wheelsets with double sets of clevises to suspend brake rigging from.

I am not aware of any reason why an A Class couldn't be placed on either Pattern 1 or Pattern 2 cast steel bogies with standard gauge wheelsets and brake rigging configured to suit standard gauge.

B 60 was put on the standard gauge to comemmorate something or other and run quite successfully for some time.

TW

PS It was good to see a grain train at Sunshine this morning. First I have seen there for a while!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
A Class having problems with bogie clearance on the standard gauge?
"t_woodroffe"


Given the uncertain future of PN's grain operations, whether an A class can go on SG or not could be seen as trivial in the extreme in the overall context of this thread.

Bing
  CaseyJones Chief Commissioner

Location: A little south of sanity

PN now appears to have only two divisions - Intermodal and Bulk.

The 'Rural' appears to have been dropped from R & B.
"bing"

The 'Rural' was dropped some time ago. See Sep 2006 RD for details  Wink

Cheers
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
There are opportunities for "bright young men (and women)" in NSW interested in crewing locomotives.. PM if you would like contact details.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
There are opportunities for "bright young men (and women)" in NSW interested in crewing locomotives.. PM if you would like contact details.
"MBAX"


NSW must be very very short of crews. Everyone from Victoria has been asked to put down a place of redeployment throughout NSW...
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Pi$$ the bosses off and put down something like Dubbo or Narrabri... Twisted Evil
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
There are opportunities for "bright young men (and women)" in NSW interested in crewing locomotives.. PM if you would like contact details.
"MBAX"


NSW must be very very short of crews. Everyone from Victoria has been asked to put down a place of redeployment throughout NSW...
"LowndesJ515"


They are in coal, I've heard 70 short at Port Kembla for example. The grain isn't so busy, but I suspect there may be more work around in that area than what is anticipated.
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
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Thanks Mr Kennet for privatisation

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