AU_NSW_Regional_And_Intercity - New MSTS Route

PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:52 pm

I was told as long as I add the route names and people
who created the routes to put in the credits and thanks file
I would be alright but the only person
that I couldn't get permission is from Chris Nelson
but that's alright isn't it? I thought of them first
because they allowed me to use there shapes, textures and
terrtex files well at least I'm honest put it that way

And without thinking I added the shapes, textures and terrtex files
by mistake from the routes Sydney West route, Illawarra stage1
route, and Coal Road route I have made contact with these people
for there permission but somehow there emaill addresses isn't
listed anymore so because I have added these files by mistake
I will give a special credit notice for them so hopefully
they won't be upset with me for not adding there names
in the credits and thanks file the readme file is going to be seperated
from the thanks & credit file so that way people can read them
but anyway if they don't like it I will remove my route
from the internet until I work out something like I have
a builder already it's just that I also need the paint shop pro program for the textures but I need version 7 of paint shop pro it seems to be more understanding anyway I believe that my builder from here will do a great
job and I will add him to the credits and thanks file
I have already started on this file but not the readme file until
I have completed my route

helterskelter · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:39 pm

Which month of 2015 for the release date?

superheatedsteam · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:48 pm

PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:33 pm

Well yeah something like that
but you see I had to re- install windows and the only thing I made
back up of was the Shapes, Textures, Terrtex and the .Ref files
from my route after I added those files
When I started 2 months ago I asked Mike Simpson on how to
merge two or more routes together but I didn't still
understand his program Route Riter to merge them
and the funny thing is it stuffed up everything bugger me
and I also asked Mike Simpson, Peter Newell and Yuri for some
hints so I got there support too witch is great anyway back to the
subject when I copied those files I forgot that all shapes, textures, terrtex files were on the disk that I had made a zipped folder of
and I don't really feel like doing it all over again I am sure
if the authors have a problem of these routes Coal Road, Sydney West,
and Illawarra stage1 I am sure they will let me know but I rather
hear it from them not anyone else this route will not be for sale
it will be as freeware only and the release date isn't going to be in 2015
it will be earlyer then that guy's Very Happy

either next year sometime
or early 2009 no later then that
cheers

PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:36 pm

Look guy's I have already explained myself to you all
I'm not steelling from the other authors
I have asked for there permission to use the files from there routes
such as
Blue Mountains Route By Mike Simpson got permission Very Happy

Coals to Newcastle By Peter Newell got permission Very Happy

Sydney West Route By Ben Johnson Cannot make contact Sad

Illawarra Stage1 By Paul Woozley cannot make contact Sad

Coal Road Route By Gavin Mclaughlan No reply yet Sad

Central West Route By Chris Nelson No permission granted Cool

and most of these files were added but I have to advoid using these as much as possiable

And I have added all routes installed in the game itself
Shapes, Textures, Terrtex files and added all of them
to my routes .ref file, shapes, textures, and terrtex files
I won't leave anyone out of my routes Credits and Thanks file
but if I do they must let me know asap so it will be fixed

There isn't any copyright issuses just yet until I here from
Ben Johnson, Paul Woozley, and Gavin Mclaughlan
if they say it's alright then I will be happy but on the other
hand they can say no but I won't give up

To the person doing Adelaide to Darwin route
I wish you all the best to mate and as soon as it comes
I will download it and get the Gahn running on your route
that may take about a week to drive though but I can handle it
try building Sydney to Perth I have tried to but stuffed it
completely and gave up on it anyway can't wait until I
see it cheers mate

Alltrains · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:08 pm

Phil,
Copyright is not just simply listing a persons name in a Credit and Thanks file. You still have to have their permission to use their product (design).
You stated that you asked Peter Newell for permission to use the shapes file from Coals To Newcastle and that he gave you permission. As Peter can only give you permission for the shapes files that he produced how many of the other designers from Coals To Newcastle have you asked for permission to use their designs?

ARG706 · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:16 pm

PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:52 pm

I started from Sydney I only got as far as Redfern
but I had everything all wrong like I didn't have any
stations or the flying junctions and nothing at all
I was just working with Dynamic track because I didn't
know of the others that I had from when I downloaded
Xtracks and Newroads both end user programs
because I was told that's what I needed for
Mike Simpsons Blue Mountains route
from version 1 now I have version 4 Mike did say
that he was fixing up the Blue Mountains route
I even helped with his route just a little bit of work
I done to it, last time Mike told me he merged my edited
of his Blue Mountains route to a new version you mite have to ask Mike about that so anyway I gave up trying to build the Sydney to Perth route
and I also attempted to build the cityrail network but I gave up on that because I had the terrain worng and now I am working on this one
but I won't give up at all I must build this route it's important to me
and it will be fun and massive to drive on to be honest with you
And yes I got Peter Newell's and Mike Simpson's permission to use everything that I needed to build my route and I have
tried with the other great creators but if these people don't like
me using there shapes they can let me know and I will have them removed and try my best to use the shapes that I have got
there's only afew shapes that I found from Train-sim.com
and I have just edited one of them just a little coke machine
I know it sounds stupid but I didn't like the original textures and I have the Australian flag so I can put it on top of the Sydney Harbour Bridge
and I need a new version of the bridge because the original one is abit worng you see it's attahed to Circular Quay, Wynard, Milsons Point and North Sydney I know I'm always around there either taking photo's or just relaxing

And question was asked about Peter Newell's Coals to Newcastle route
Peter told me to copy the people from his readme file
and paste them into my routes credits and thanks file (Readme file)
I would like to change the textures of all the stations and somehow fix up
the flying junctions because it's also abit worng from what I looked up in the books I have of Sydney Central Station and inclueding on the internet
the flying junctions have arches on each side and some under it
not with bricks stopping track flow I have even tried working out the flying junctions to ad the airport line to Peter Newells coals to newcastle route and it didn't work only Olympic Park worked out it was just for a
test only but when I had to re install windows I lost that bit of Olympic Park I added

KRviator · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:33 pm

Phil, if you use the SydWest Route without getting permission, irrespective of whether you credit the original creator or not, you are leaving yourself open for a copyright lawsuit. And since you've merged that route and haven't got that authorisation, you're in breach of copyright right now.

My suggestion to you would be this:

Get permission from the route creators to use their routes.
Go through their routes and get the permission from the creators of custom content in those routes.
If you do not have the permission of someone and you use their content, even if you got it from soneone else's route, you are in breach of copyright and leaving yourself wide open.

Trainee Driver, Pacific National

Comments made are strictly the opinion of the author and do not reflect the opinions of the ADF, Pacific National, Freight Australia or the Boy Scouts of Antartica.

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PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:07 pm

I think you missed understood me
I am only using the Sydney West shapes files
the route I am not merging them at all
I will build it myself in my own route
not merging bro

I have sent the author an email afew times but the email
dosen't go though at all so if the author has a problem
with me using his shape file then he will let me know
not you
and that gos for Illawarra stage1 and coal road routes
I have also made changers to the Illawarra stage1 route
but I cannot get in contact with the author at all
to let him know
and I have made contact with the author of the coal road route
and get no reply I assume Gavin is busy like he said when he started building his route he had a 6 week leave from his job I say he mite work for cityrail or something to do with railways anyway

But I have no doubt that the authors wouldn't mind at all
Like I said I'm not merging them at all
I will build them my way and to the best way as I can and
I have my own marker files from Google earth and google maps
and yes it going to look the same what do you expect bro

BuddyALX · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:13 pm

Yo Phil.

Some of the files (Which have the name Sydwest in them) were actually made by Ben Johnson himself. (I wouldn't say that he owns copyright as the higher ups like Railcorp and others may have copyrighted the actual infrastructure. Though Ben owns copyright for their MSTS counterparts of the infrastructure, he should've gotten permission from the higher ups first or something..)

Daniel Hall.
MSTS STA Driver,

PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:25 pm

Thanks Buddy

I feel so much better your right you know and that is the best bloody
thing I have heard thanks mate

I already have permission from Railcorp, Cityrail, Countrylink,
Pacific National, you name it
And I have already added there names in my credits and thanks file

steamer · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:43 pm

BuddyALX · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:49 pm

PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:01 pm

Thanks guy's that shows me abit more of understanding
hey Peter the only people that I cannot
get in contact with is Russell Beer,
Ben Johnson, Paul Woozley, and Gavin Mclaughlan
Sad

I have tried put it that way I think that I have found
Brian the person who created BBS shapes well I'm Hopping
it's him would BrianB be his username on here?