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DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

It was just announced on the ABC Radio World At Noon that Asciano will be winding up operations in Victoria and taking the locos and wagons to NSW.

Its a disasterous day for Victoria.

Anyone care to support privatisation now???
 
allan Chief Commissioner

IF there is a quid to be made it will not take long for another operator to step in...

If there is no quid to be made, why bother.
 
Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Problem is; If another Operater does wanna step in, Where are they gonna get the rolling stock?
As far as I've been told, PN owns it all and is taking it with them
 
574M - Moderator White Guru

Location: Shepparton
SEVEN THREADS ON THIS

This thread with the wrong title
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11336862.htm

the Asciano to sell grain businses thread
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11336858-s0-0-asc.htm

another Asciano to close most of its grain business thread
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11336844.htm

the PN the end is nigh thread
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11336780.htm

The Tim Fischer Report Thread
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p963929.htm#963929
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p964016.htm#964016
and subsquent posts.

and then Bingley's Asciano to head to the Sunshine State thread}
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11336842.htm

and the Tasmania End of Intermodal Freight.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11336857.htm

Can it all go down to one thread for sensibility sake?
 
LowndesJ515 Chief Commissioner

Location: Goulburn
They are all a bunch of F***wits. Very sad day for Victoria if this is true! Trust all the employees to hear from a Radio first and not from PN themselves.
 
DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Can it all go down to one thread for sensibility sake?
- A user


I considered that before starting this thread.

However, one would hope that discussion here is not so much about the merits or otherwise of Asciano's decision, but the consequences for the railway system in Victoria.

It is more urgent than ever to go to Standard Gauge, especially whilst the government is now going to be on the back foot.

SG will bring in other operators to take up the void.

BG will see freight held back by the ability of El Zorro to grow.

The other option is for the government to get V/Line to make an offer for the BG locos and wagons and get a merged operation going.  (That could then spread its wings like Interrail one day).
 
VRfan - Moderator Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I think the worst part in all of this is that a private company has moved in, purchased the assets that used to be owned by the people of this state, run the railways into the ground and then pack up and head north.

IMHO both the Liberal and Labour parties have alot to answer for in their conduct over the last 10 years in allowing this situation to develop. Even if you are not a railfan, the average person should be very worried about this development. It will see alot more trucks on our roads which will increase the dangers for the average motorist and destroy our roads much quicker.

Kennet started it all by privitising the railways and then the Bracks government made things worse by attempting to force an open access scheme onto the railway network that was privately controlled for 40 years. When FA was sold, they should have intervened then, taken back the network and begun the gauge standardisation process that would encourage competition from other operators with existing SG equipment. The final idiotic thing was to purchase the lease back off PN for 134 million and not include any sorts of minimum service requirements.
 
chickhicks Beginner

I considered that before starting this thread.
- A user


If you considered it why did you add yet another thread? Operators is the obvious place for this discussion as it affects at least three states and the operators.
 
DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Operators is the obvious place for this discussion as it affects at least three states and the operators
- A user


We're talking about Victoria only here.

IMHO both the Liberal and Labour parties have alot to answer for in their conduct over the last 10 years in allowing this situation to develop.
- A user


Absolutely correct 100%.
 
vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
Vic govt talking to new rail freight operator

1400 - Wednesday 12th December 2007

ABC News - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/12/2116856.htm



The Victorian Transport Minister Lyn Kosky has moved to reassure grain farmers, as the state's biggest rail freight operator moves to pull out of the market.

Farmers say the decision by Pacific National's parent company, Asciano, could force more grain to be hauled by road, increasing costs.

The company says it can no longer sustain losses of $3-million a month.

Ms Kosky says the Government is investing heavily in fixing the rural rail network.

"We're obviously concerned about having grain travel by road, but our first priority is to improve the infrastructure. We need to make that investment."

The minister also dismissed criticism over a deal to buy back the rural rail lines. The Government paid Pacific National $134-million a year ago to take back the train lines.

The Opposition spokesman on Transport, Terry Mulder says the Government should have sought a guarantee from Pacific National, that it would continue to operate the lines until a new operator took on their business.

"This is an extraordinary situation, the fact that we have a rail line without an operator," he said.

The Transport Minister Lyn Kosky says the government is now talking to other operators.

"This is a commercial decision by Asciano. We do have another player in the market now, a small player, but we are talking to (the) Grain Corporation as well about the viability and sustainability of the market."
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
does this affect the Steelies too ?
 
aussiebbq Assistant Commissioner

Location: Ballarat, Australia
I think the worst part in all of this is that a private company has moved in, purchased the assets that used to be owned by the people of this state, run the railways into the ground and then pack up and head north.

IMHO both the Liberal and Labour parties have alot to answer for in their conduct over the last 10 years in allowing this situation to develop. Even if you are not a railfan, the average person should be very worried about this development. It will see alot more trucks on our roads which will increase the dangers for the average motorist and destroy our roads much quicker.

Kennet started it all by privitising the railways and then the Bracks government made things worse by attempting to force an open access scheme onto the railway network that was privately controlled for 40 years. When FA was sold, they should have intervened then, taken back the network and begun the gauge standardisation process that would encourage competition from other operators with existing SG equipment. The final idiotic thing was to purchase the lease back off PN for 134 million and not include any sorts of minimum service requirements.
- VRfan


Well said

What I find funny this the more money will be needed to be spent on infrastructure in order to run trucks, now were is the sense in that?
 
Hairy Train Controller

Location: arts end of victoria



The Transport Minister Lyn Kosky says the government is now talking to other operators.

"This is a commercial decision by Asciano. We do have another player in the market now, a small player, but we are talking to (the) Grain Corporation as well about the viability and sustainability of the market."
- vlinecars


Interesting. Lets see, who would be I wonder?

Could it be QR National come on down to Victoria with its small fleet; Xs' and Gs'? No, not very likely, have the locos, but not the rolling stock. Same could be said for SCT, returning the Gs' to board gauge, but alias lacking the wagons.

GWA would be the most logical operator, with their Alcos, GMs' and CKs', with the bonus of rolling stock.

SSR could be another possibility, but have already pulled out of Victoria recently, they may not venture back here to soon!

Like I said, Interesting, very interesting times ahead for freight on Victorian board gauge network.
 
DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

I'm sure the small player is El Zorro.
 
NathanCastle Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
Restart Victorian Railways wholly public owned and run for the people of Victoria.
 
Hitachi_Man - Moderator Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne.


We're doomed...
 
dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
I've been informed the last freight out of W'bool under PN Control will operate tonite. This no more freight trains on the W'bool line till the / a new operator takes over the operation.

How true this is, is of course open to correction through, a clear case of wait & see I feel.
 
hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.


We're doomed...
- Hitachi_Man

Very funny. Laughing
 
DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

I've been informed the last freight out of W'bool under PN Control will operate tonite. This no more freight trains on the W'bool line till the / a new operator takes over the operation.
- A user


Thats a bit quick, isn't it?

Surely Westvic would have a contract that requires some notice before a withdrawl of service.
 
dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
I've been informed the last freight out of W'bool under PN Control will operate tonite. This no more freight trains on the W'bool line till the / a new operator takes over the operation.
- A user


Thats a bit quick, isn't it?

Surely Westvic would have a contract that requires some notice before a withdrawl of service.
- DalyWaters


I have no idea, I'm only goin' on what I was told this afternoon from local sources, althrough, come to think of it, their was something in today's paper... If I can find where it went, I'll post it...
 
hansonator Chief Commissioner

Location: Strathmore, Victoria
Restart Victorian Railways wholly public owned and run for the people of Victoria.
- NathanCastle


Now thats a good idea Exclamation

This is final proof that privatisation really does NOT WORK.
 
J-C Chief Commissioner

Location: Victoria
On the news it said the Vic goverment were in talks with railcorp about taking control of the vic freight operations.
 
42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Try Graincorp mate Railcorp only run suburban and countrylink pass trains,
 
BJ Titsengolf That's Numberwang!

Location: Right here, right now, right here, right now...
Restart Victorian Railways wholly public owned and run for the people of Victoria.
- NathanCastle


Now thats a good idea Exclamation

This is final proof that privatisation really does NOT WORK.
- hansonator

Not really. It's proof that private companies do not support loss making operations. If Rural were only making a 5% return, Asciano would be better off having their money in a term deposit. If i was a shareholder in Asciano and they weren't making decisions like the one they've just taken, i'd be asking questions. Same if they didn't asset strip the company before moving out of the business.

Business is not charity and very few do things solely for the public good.

That being said, i hope that all the employees affected by this make a smooth transition to whatever comes next.
 
NathanCastle Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
Will Asciano/Pacific National start cutting up un whanted (to them) Victorian rolling stock so no one els can use it or will they be happy to sell surplus rolling stock to the highest bidder.
 

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