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Alltrains
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:54 am
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Phil,
I am sorry but you will not be able to build your CityRail route because in the middle of your route you have a circle and MSTS does not support a circle of track. That circle is the Bankstown Line. You can catch a train on platform one at Bankstown and travel on that train all day and you will continually travel in the same direction, on the same track going through the same stations and going through platform one at Bankstown. To deviate away from that would be to deviate away from the CityRail route that you hope to build.
A lot of people on this forum have tried to give you advice and help you on various things and you have ignored them and even become hostile towards some of them and now a lot of people are not interested in helping you.
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superheatedsteam
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Ron_D
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:13 am
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| PhilChorusch wrote: | | Ask them at Central station, where the station masters office is... |
Phil, this is from an Hansard (i.e. official document) from the state government.
| Quote: | The Hon. JOHN TINGLE: On 12 November 2003 the Hon. John Tingle asked the Minister for Transport Services a question without notice regarding photography on trains. The Minister has provided the following response:
I am advised:
It is not an offence to take a photograph on a train or at a station. |
Back to topic, Phil if you upload to Train-sim, due possibly to the Bankstown Balloon Loop & Circle, it may not get approved to be uploaded to their site, unless you do what superheatedsteam suggests. Phil Goulburn to Unanderra, with some of the main line to say Picton offers more of a challenge as it has very steep grades of 4%.
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Alltrains
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:04 pm
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superheatedsteam, if Phil builds the CityRail route to the actual prototype CityRail layout which I believe is his intention then there is no way that he can alter the fact that he has a circular track and even in the sites that you listed they say that a circular track is not supported by MSTS. If Phil does not build the CityRail with a circular track then he has built a fictional route. The Bankstown line became a circular track when the Circular Quay link was completed thus allowing trains to run continually in the same direction on the same track, hence the problem for MSTS.
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superheatedsteam
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:39 pm
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| Alltrains wrote: | | If Phil does not build the CityRail with a circular track then he has built a fictional route. |
Show me a route which is a 100% accurate to the ‘actual prototype’. There are a number of excellent routes out there that have had the track work ‘doctored’ to overcome a shortcoming in MSTS. If by your reasoning this makes them ‘fictional’ then so be it.
I’ve not travelled on the Bankstown line for a number of years, but if I was building this route this is how I would do it. If I remember correctly there are a couple of double line sections. By breaking the ‘circle’ of track and placing some track maintenance guys and equipment over the gap in the circle or track. Divert the player via turnouts over to the other track, which if a circle as well, can have a ‘break’ inserted somewhere else. Not 100% accurate and I have not tested it but a possible work around. Some people look for solutions to problems while others cant see past the problem. The former make advances for civilisation and MSTS alike. The latter either tag along or didn’t crawl out of the primordial swamp.
| Alltrains wrote: | | which I believe is his intention |
I don’t know what Phil’s intensions for his route are, any more than I know yours. What I do know is a circular route under certain conditions can be built. Your persistence in advising certain people what is ‘not’ possible is starting to sound obsessive to me. If Phil fails to heed your advise then that’s his problem not yours. Stop nagging Phil and leave him to build his route so that you can get on with building your route to the same high standards that you set on others.
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PhilChorusch
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:53 pm
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A circle can be done Alltrains, all I have to do is be carefull with the type of circle that I need in my route even if it would have to be abit bigger, anyway that aside a circle can be done using a half circle using dynamic track followed by an 2x6d tracks and back to dynamic track to finish it off give that one a try.... 
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helterskelter
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:07 pm
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Now I have heard it all, and give up.
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PhilChorusch
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:35 am
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Well stop bugging me on how to build a circle I already know how to do this part and I already know that Train simulator dosen't support circles but that is only for a small circle. This circle s**t is boring to be really honest with you all and it's making me very, very p***ed off so please stop the s**t and grow up, a stupid circle can be done get that into your heads... Sorry for being offencive but I have my reasons....
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Chris Anderson
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:49 am
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Okay, so let's see a screenshot of a train running on a circle, or at least the completed circle in Route Editor or Activity Editor.
I know guys like Ottodad and Jim Ward can do it, I want to see if Phil can
Mr. Anderson... surprised to see me?
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ARG706
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:09 am
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| Chris Anderson wrote: | Okay, so let's see a screenshot of a train running on a circle, or at least the completed circle in Route Editor or Activity Editor.
I know guys like Ottodad and Jim Ward can do it, I want to see if Phil can |
Chris, please stop qualifying the guy. I believe he has no need to prove anything to you.
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Chris Anderson
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:39 am
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Maybe not, but the expression "put your money where your mouth is" comes to mind. If he's better than all the rest of us, which he professes that he is, I want to see the evidence of it
Mr. Anderson... surprised to see me?
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PhilChorusch
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:53 pm
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| Chris Anderson wrote: | | Maybe not, but the expression "put your money where your mouth is" comes to mind. If he's better than all the rest of us, which he professes that he is, I want to see the evidence of it |
Well I'm not better then anyone I will do a circle and send it to you via email Chris if you don't mind because I still don't know how to upload a picture on Railpage Australia™....
For those people that I have offened I am sorry but I got really stressed out about the circle stuff so I hope that there isn't any hard fellings that I have or may have caused, sorry guy's 
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PhilChorusch
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Alltrains
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:16 pm
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Phil,
You have not made any stuff ups, this is what I have been trying to get through to you, that there is a problem with MSTS with circular tracks and because I have been trying to push you into finding out for yourself instead of just letting you fail with your route I have been branded by one member of this forum as a "vindictive bully". I take this as a personal attack as this person does not know any details of my personal life. Now Phil you have learnt that there is a problem with circular tracks so may I suggest that instead of you doing the large route that you have planned you do a smaller route to start with until you learn more about the problems with MSTS. I would suggest that you do an area that is easy for you to research and that is the line from Liverpool to Goulburn. I know what your disability is and I know what it is to live with someone with a disability and sometimes it takes "bullying" to get that person to concentrate on one thing at a time, so for the moment forget Gmax and concentrate on the planning and building of the trackwork for your route. There is also a problem using Google Earth for the markers, but it is easily fixed. The problem is when you place a mark in Google Earth it shows as being at a certain point but infact when you have a look in MSTS it is at a different point. I know you have difficulty with tutorials but there is a tutorial on Steam4me called "Using Google Earth to place markers in RE in MSTS". It is very important the you have a good read of this tutorial so that your markers are in the right place.
Cheers for now
Russell
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PhilChorusch
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:19 am
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| Alltrains wrote: | Phil,
You have not made any stuff ups, this is what I have been trying to get through to you, that there is a problem with MSTS with circular tracks and because I have been trying to push you into finding out for yourself instead of just letting you fail with your route I have been branded by one member of this forum as a "vindictive bully". I take this as a personal attack as this person does not know any details of my personal life. Now Phil you have learnt that there is a problem with circular tracks so may I suggest that instead of you doing the large route that you have planned you do a smaller route to start with until you learn more about the problems with MSTS. I would suggest that you do an area that is easy for you to research and that is the line from Liverpool to Goulburn. I know what your disability is and I know what it is to live with someone with a disability and sometimes it takes "bullying" to get that person to concentrate on one thing at a time, so for the moment forget Gmax and concentrate on the planning and building of the trackwork for your route. There is also a problem using Google Earth for the markers, but it is easily fixed. The problem is when you place a mark in Google Earth it shows as being at a certain point but infact when you have a look in MSTS it is at a different point. I know you have difficulty with tutorials but there is a tutorial on Steam4me called "Using Google Earth to place markers in RE in MSTS". It is very important the you have a good read of this tutorial so that your markers are in the right place.
Cheers for now
Russell |
Thanks Russell, I have read the tutorial on the steam4me site about using Google earth as marker files, so I have no problems in this area witch is great and I have also done marker files using Google maps... The only things I am having problems to understand is the curve & gradient diagrams and gmax tutorial it makes no sence to me at all to be really honest with everyone, I am trying to build the last 2 Cityrail trains witch are "Hunter Railcars" and "HSet Oscars" and it's driving me up the wall, I have asked Chris Jennings to build them awhile ago but he was busy working on a project and I also had Chris's permission to reskin his Mset as the Hset Oscars but I couldn't work that out either but it was fun trying put it that way, I have reskined other trains and wagons but I cannot get into contact with some of the creators to show them, and I have tried to fix up some routes and they look great such as Mike Simpson's Blue Mountains route and Paul Woozley's Illawarra stage1 route at the moment I am still working out Peter Newell's Coals to Newcastle route so I can add the Kooragang Island route into his route I did do Olympic Park it was great until I ended up with a computer virus so I couldn't show Peter that part and now I have to do that all over again  , here is how I done it I read the tutorial on the steam4me site on adding a map in route editor and I just followed the track image it was so easy and yet that's also a circle, this is the circle is the only circle I done before the full circle I done not long ago for Chris and for everyone else Russell...
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about the circle and yes sadly it didn't work, but I have done it once before and it worked and I got to drive a train around it 
I guess it depends on the type of circle that has to be done I will send you a picture view in route editor Chris as it didn't work and you can pin point at the stuff ups I have made...