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Ned Ludd · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:08 pm

TheLoadedDog · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:12 pm

Bree76 · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:56 pm

42101 · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:59 pm

Look at the blue header at the top of EVERY page on the left at the TOP of the page is......FAQ.

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Bree76 · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:28 pm

dthead · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:24 pm

Gwiwer · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:58 pm

I do not normally enter into the debates around grammar, spelling and style, nor do I go in where flames are burning and pour petrol.

But I do read threads (including this one) which leave me wondering what is going on in our education system as much as whether parents know little Johnnie is out playing.

I agree with dthead that the thread has probably run its course but before he or anyone else locks it I'll say this much.

Anyone on here is welcome to make any judgement they like about me. Only those who post comments which I consider at least reasonably sensible (though they don't need to be "nice") and well-intentioned will be replied to.

I receive occasional PMs from members, often those with lower post counts, virtually demanding information from me. Some are in Text-speak or what ever you care to call it and others are so garbled as to be incomprehensible.

Whether or not I am able to supply the required information I ignore those requests unless they are addressed in a well-mannered and sensible style. I don't expect that a 13 year old will necessarily have the vocaubulary or grammatical expertise of someone rather older; I also fully understand that far from everyone has English as their first language.

But I can tell the difference in a post or PM between someone who has little or no respect and expects to be met with the same over the postings of someone who has a genuine issue with the language or some part of it. I myself have a condition which causes me to sometimes reverse the order of letters (such as "trian" instead of "train") and be unable to see the error when I read through the text before posting.

There is a spell-checker but the RP server problems means that it can sometimes take many minutes to work, or simply doesn't load. I often just read a post and correct typo's I can spot then hit "Submit". Sometimes I see more errors later and edit the post if I feel it needs it.

I'll give anyone a fair go. But those who come barging in and expect everyone to jump up and salute will not earn my respect.

I take the trouble to welcome newbies if I notice someone making a first post. That is also good manners and can count for a lot. But those who are here to disrupt, flame, antagonise and generally be a nuisance can expect their rantings to be emailed swiftly to the moderation team.

Nuff said.

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Maikha · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:58 pm

Rightio, my 2c

I'm going to agree that there seems to be a degeneration in the maturity and behaviour of users on Railpage Australia™ over the past few months. Whether it's the water supply full of algae or anything else, I don't know. However, ever since I returned here from my months hiatus, I have become annoyed at the following conduct:

*Deliberately undermining - It seems there are some users, who only want to contribute opinions, if they undermine another user's observations.
*'Reply stalking' - It's not hard to observe all the little grudges people hold against others on a personal level, and as above, follow them throughout the forums reply to them with snide responses, or contradictions.
*Pedantics - I'll try and dig it up somewhere here, I've been told off after I mispelt the town of Bomaderry
*Declining Maturity - It's not just the kiddies who are causing all the issues, it's very much the full grown adult men here. Seems prevalent with railfans in general the immaturity comes from all the 30-40yr old men more than anything Rolling Eyes

Most of my points above have very much been demonstrated in this thread (And no doubt will again, through disagreement or spite), particularly with responses made to TheLoadedDog™. He is right in virtually all aspects of his responses, yet I still continue to read people wanting to have a go at trying to undermine him. FFS!

Riccardo also makes a very good point in developing the hobby quietly, and can concur with his sentiments. I wrote an article in Digest when I was 13yrs old, with a bit of research from blokes I use to help with (No Railpage Australia™ forums back then were there?).

dthead and myself are leaving this up to you folks to decide if you want to be civil in your responses. I'll leave it to David for his discretion if it needs to be locked.

Cheers
Maikha Ly

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David Peters · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:16 am

I try to be civil to all on here, having said that though there have been times when I have had a go at someone for something that is dear to my heart, like disability for one, as I am disabled, not physically, I am deaf but it is still a disabilty!

I don't go out of my way to provoke anyone, and some on here do not read the post's properly, or put in their own meanings into posts etc. I want to be able to read something in plain English, or as plain as you can get it. Mis-spelling can be forgiven, but text speak or whatever are just a foreign language to me!

Those that come on here to start things like flame wars etc need to get out more, everyone has an opinion on something and it may just be the opposite of what you think, I can tolerate a discussion on something, but detest some expert on something telling me I am wrong, why am I wrong, could not the expert be wrong, everyone makes mistakes!

A lot of it comes down to how it is put into words on here, if you are going to be a bit blustery in how you ask then you will get the same back, fair enough. I have had a fair few PM's from people who I only know from on here and always try to give them a concise answer as best I can, it is called courtesy and should be practiced more.

Anyone who PM's me and demands anything will be ignored, if asked nicely the info will be forthcoming if I know the answer of course! I must agree with both Gwiwer and Maikha's post's! Cool

I know one who will be sure to reply to this post, PClark I do not have a grudge against you personally, it was just your attitude to disabled persons that got me riled, my family have the same attitude and it gets my lather up that more people in this world do not give people with a disability a little more latitude in general.

I do not mean that they have to have things done specially for them at all times, but just realise that they have a disability and may need your or someone else's help at some stage! Cool

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wurx · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:57 am

2001 · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:00 pm

I throw out this hypothetical for all to ponder.

Let's say that the privilege of anonymity was removed from this site, ie: all posters are required to provide their real identity.

Do you suppose this would have an impact on how people behave and interact on this board Question

2001

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E1109 · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:10 pm

42101 · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:10 pm

Not in my case as i dont hide nor have any reason to do so and anyone can see from my location which suburb i live in and from my profile my name and profesion.
I call a spade a spade and speak my mind and have a very low tolerance for people who are up themselves or try to act better than others.
I also have no time for spammers or trouble makers and people who always make pointless threads just to see their name up there.
NOT GOING TO CHANGE EITHER.

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2001 · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:12 pm

Gwiwer · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:21 pm

Not sure how much change it would bring about in the area we are aiming at.

I suspect that "Gunzel100" will in most cases post much the same material and in the same style as "Tom Brown", since it is quite a skill to develope a posting persona different to your own, and harder still to maintain it.

Witness the troll-spotting which occasionally goes on where a recently departed (or banned) member almost immediately returns under a new name but their style and grammar is immediately picked.

I have to agree with E1109 in terms of there being a drying-up of good accurate information since a number of us here post anonymously as there might be a professional conflict of interests otherwise, or unwanted repercussions either in work or home lives.

I was in that position myself when I joined but have since changed employer. It still served my purposes that my previous employer is not able to readily and positively identify me however as that would cut off the flow of otherwise freely-passed information.

So while I can see the reasoning behind 2001's ideas I feel on balance that it might well not resolve the problem and could inadvertently act against the better interests of the site.

CEO Penhayle Bay Railway. Ferroequinologist. BA Hons (Honourable Bachelor of Aquatarts

)
The wise yet mysterious Sir Gwiwer Greybeard