Return of Southern Highlands CityRail Endeavour Fleet

 
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
During the current 3 week close-down the six Endeavour sets allocated to Southern Highlands services are back in Sydney hopefully for some overhaul and possibly some refurbishment work.

I was hoping they would be returned via the Illawarra Line during Sunday 20th January but alas no I just found this on the ARTC TAA site.
    [/i][/b]Both these movements (SN37 & 39)would be six cars as SN40 and 44 are two cars while 41 and 45 are four cars. Pity they are running here if they happen to have had a paint job a six car movement would have been a great, and rare, photo opportunity.

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      Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

    Both these movements (SN37 & 39)would be six cars as SN40 and 44 are two cars while 41 and 45 are four cars. Pity they are running here if they happen to have had a paint job a six car movement would have been a great, and rare, photo opportunity.
    "TE2815"

    I do recall a Railway Digest frontcover, at least 10 years ago, that had a photograph from a GM cab of a 6 car Endeavour set ahead of it. Might have to dig it up somewhere.

    Photo opportunity would be good..... although I'm not sure if anyone would be willing to be awake at those times they're running  Confused


    Still.... you're right though.
      TE2815 Minister for Railways

    Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
    There have been the odd six car set usually after failures. One I seem to recall was after line blocked at Tennessee with loco (L254) fire. Down services terminated at Picton and ran to Moss Vale when line was cleared. If fact this have even ended up an eight car movement, the maximum number of Endeavours cars allowable.
      barny Banned

    Location: Banned
    During the current 3 week close-down the six Endeavour sets allocated to Southern Highlands services are back in Sydney hopefully for some overhaul and possibly some refurbishment work.

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    "TE2815"
      Curious as to why an "overhaul" is required and to why an 8 car set is the max,plenty of longer trains run
      Cs4 Chief Train Controller

    Location: Central West NSW
    Curious as to why an "overhaul" is required and to why an 8 car set is the max,plenty of longer trains run
    "barny"


    Maybe limited due to length of platforms?
      neety Chief Commissioner

    During the current 3 week close-down the six Endeavour sets allocated to Southern Highlands services are back in Sydney hopefully for some overhaul and possibly some refurbishment work.

    .
    "TE2815"
      Curious as to why an "overhaul" is required and to why an 8 car set is the max,plenty of longer trains run
    "barny"


    I don't know why 8 cars is the maximum. They couldn't run it in service as it wouldn't fit at many platforms. Also, it may have something to do with isolating passengers from crew members. There would be a crew member in the front 2 cars and the back 2 cars, none in the middle 4 and no access between sets unless the train is stopped.
      TE2815 Minister for Railways

    Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
    neety, when you next work one check the drivers panel in the cab to confirm what I say below.

    For everyone else, Endeavours (and XPLORERS) are designed so that only 8 cars can operate in the one set. In a four car set for example if you sat (and I have) in the middle cab (so car 3) the instrument panel will show that car as car 1 while car 2 ahead of you will be car 8 with the leading car showing up as car 7. That was just the way the electrics were designed when built and the instrument panel can only show 8 cars. The car number is the bottom two rows of the panel with 8 illuminated positions for the 8 cars.

    I speak of the panel above the throttle in this photo:
      icdog Train Controller

    Location: Smegville
    During the current 3 week close-down the six Endeavour sets allocated to Southern Highlands services are back in Sydney hopefully for some overhaul and possibly some refurbishment work.

    .
    "TE2815"
      Curious as to why an "overhaul" is required and to why an 8 car set is the max,plenty of longer trains run
    "barny"


    I don't know why 8 cars is the maximum. They couldn't run it in service as it wouldn't fit at many platforms. Also, it may have something to do with isolating passengers from crew members. There would be a crew member in the front 2 cars and the back 2 cars, none in the middle 4 and no access between sets unless the train is stopped.
    "neety"


    Remember that the Endeavour is actually an Explorer with poorer fittings and they run a number of car configurations hence the Enunciator panel showing up to 8 cars.
      DCM8035 Locomotive Fireman

    I happen to live in the Southern Highlands and rely heavily on this rail service.
    The Southern Highlands Endeavour fleet needs an overhaul really soon. At least once every fortnight there is a service cancelled due to "mechincal problems " it is usually the same set . I know there was a tender for the refurbishment of these cars but haven't heard anymore about it.
      TE2815 Minister for Railways

    Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
    I happen to live in the Southern Highlands and rely heavily on this rail service.
    The Southern Highlands Endeavour fleet needs an overhaul really soon. At least once every fortnight there is a service cancelled due to "mechincal problems " it is usually the same set . I know there was a tender for the refurbishment of these cars but haven't heard anymore about it.
    "DCM8035"
    I don't know about it being the same set, the same service maybe. The 346pm from Sydney to Moss Vale is usually four cars if a mechanical problem exists this service will be reduced to two cars with buses to supplement the service from Campbelltown. In turn the next days 724am from Goulburn to Sydney will also run reduced cars with buses. In addition as only two cars arrive at Moss Vale the 614pm to Campbelltown and the return leaving Campbelltown at 738pm will be cancelled.

    My comment about an overhaul is being misquoted as it were. I was merely pointing that as the cars are not in service all the niggly problems could be looked at before they return to service. Whether any get a paint job remains to be seen.
      neety Chief Commissioner

    neety, when you next work one check the drivers panel in the cab to confirm what I say below.

    For everyone else, Endeavours (and XPLORERS) are designed so that only 8 cars can operate in the one set. In a four car set for example if you sat (and I have) in the middle cab (so car 3) the instrument panel will show that car as car 1 while car 2 ahead of you will be car 8 with the leading car showing up as car 7. That was just the way the electrics were designed when built and the instrument panel can only show 8 cars. The car number is the bottom two rows of the panel with 8 illuminated positions for the 8 cars.
    "TE2815"


    I did my Endeavour stint a few weeks ago (three times in a week), so it probably will be a while before I go near one again. Maybe Johnboy can tell you more.
      TE2815 Minister for Railways

    Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
    neety, when you next work one check the drivers panel in the cab to confirm what I say below.

    For everyone else, Endeavours (and XPLORERS) are designed so that only 8 cars can operate in the one set. In a four car set for example if you sat (and I have) in the middle cab (so car 3) the instrument panel will show that car as car 1 while car 2 ahead of you will be car 8 with the leading car showing up as car 7. That was just the way the electrics were designed when built and the instrument panel can only show 8 cars. The car number is the bottom two rows of the panel with 8 illuminated positions for the 8 cars.
    "TE2815"


    I did my Endeavour stint a few weeks ago (three times in a week), so it probably will be a while before I go near one again. Maybe Johnboy can tell you more.
    "neety"
    NO, I was just letting you know what to look for as you didn't seem to know why they are limited to 8 cars. I already know Wink
      TE2815 Minister for Railways

    Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
    What they should or may look like if they have done anything yet.




    Taken from the CityRail website and also posted in the other Endeavour thread.
      bl Beginner

    The Endeavor cars can only run in 6 car sets you will find and to my understanding due to braking problems if they are increased in size.there is some hassel with applying and stopping in 8 car sets.Also you find that during the 3 weeks the sets have been at ACDEP minimal maintenance and repairs have been done BECAUSE the service center DID not know that a shut down of that length was coming up,therefore did not program any major repairs or servicing
      Bwana Chief Commissioner

    Hi bl and welcome to Railpage. A couple of things to work on though - for statements like that some reference would be handy (ie what is your source), and you might want to work on your punctuation, some people, like me, just get annoyed but let it slide, others, however, are get really narky about it.
      TE2815 Minister for Railways

    Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
    The Endeavor cars can only run in 6 car sets you will find and to my understanding due to braking problems if they are increased in size.
    "bl"
    Wrong. They usually run empties as 6 car sets as that is all they need to do. They can and have run 8 cars but not in service.
    there is some hassel with applying and stopping in 8 car sets.
    "bl"
    Appling and stopping what. Yes an 8 car set in revenue service would not be feasible.
    Also you find that during the 3 weeks the sets have been at ACDEP minimal maintenance and repairs have been done BECAUSE the service center DID not know that a shut down of that length was coming up,therefore did not program any major repairs or servicing
    "bl"
    BULL Exclamation  There are 4 cars due into the service each day (6 on Saturdays), they would have been aware that they would not be running as the cars usually stand at Moss Vale during these closedowns but this time they ran into XESC so they had it planned.

    As Bwana said where are the facts to back up what you say. I am speaking from experience of working with the Endeavour fleet on the Highlands.
      bl Beginner

    As TE2815 states,he does have some experience with Endeavor working on the Highlands as I do.The statement that the Service Center did not know comes from attendance at a meeting at Moss Vale between the Manager,Service Center and train crew.When the shutdown was mentioned and the question asked about work to catch up outstanding repairs the Manager stated"What shutdown".
    As for the statement re Braking,my comment comes from knowledge of instructions issued to the crews that 8 car sets are not to be run if possible as there is some sort of problem with the electrical heads in relation to EP braking.
      TE2815 Minister for Railways

    Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
    mmmmm now I know, or think I know, who bl is I will take the comments as fact Wink .

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