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3foot6
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:45 am
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The 'real' QR 3801 entered the final stages of production in October 2007 and the first four locomotives are expected to arrive in Australia in mid-2008.
I hope to get photos of the 3800 Class at the Siemens Factory in Munich during my visit in February 2008.
| Post edited by MichaelJ | | Thread title changed to 3700/3800 Class because locomotive classes are quite similar; mechanically and aesthetically. - Railpage Australia™ |
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3foot6
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:12 pm
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Yesterday some mates and I had a tour of Siemens at Allach (just near München). After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801! The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well. The first five locomotives were seen in their final stages of construction.
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bulldozed
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:32 pm
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So much for the hopes of a european-style body shape 
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Huggies
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:42 pm
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| 3foot6 wrote: | | After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801! |
I thought this was the real 3801  .
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Heavy Hauler
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:42 pm
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| 3foot6 wrote: | | Yesterday some mates and I had a tour of Siemens at Allach (just near München). After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801! The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well. The first five locomotives were seen in their final stages of construction. |
Photos or it didn't happen.
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Huggies
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:02 pm
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| Heavy Hauler wrote: | | Photos or it didn't happen. |
According to the 3foot6 Euro Thread he wasn't allowed to take any.
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Graham4405
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:59 pm
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| 3foot6 wrote: | | The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well. |
You could have saved a lot of money by staying in Queensland and looking at the 3700 class then... 
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petey3801
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:52 am
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| Graham4405 wrote: | | 3foot6 wrote: | | The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well. |
You could have saved a lot of money by staying in Queensland and looking at the 3700 class then... |
Thats what I thought when I actually saw them! However, it was quite nice to have a guided tour of the Siemens factory! 
As far as I could see, locomotives 3801-3805 were in the later stages of fit-out. There were also a number of locomotives for other companies, including DB and a Scandinavian (I think... I have a memory like a fish ) company. It would have been nice to see the QRNational livery on a Eurosprinter type locomotive though..
Unfortunately, there was also a strictly "No Photos" rule enforced, least of all because there are a number of other companies using the same buildings who would not be happy about photographs from inside their worksites being published.
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3foot6
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:57 am
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| Huggies wrote: | | 3foot6 wrote: | | After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801! |
I thought this was the real 3801 . |
Sir, that is just an oversize kettle in the shape of a dildo.
| Graham4405 wrote: | | 3foot6 wrote: | | The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well. |
You could have saved a lot of money by staying in Queensland and looking at the 3700 class then... |
I would agree with with you 110% if my sole purpose in coming to Europe was to see these locomotive under construction. It was a bit of a let down, I will admit, but a once in a life time experience just the same.
| Heavy Hauler wrote: | | 3foot6 wrote: | | Yesterday some mates and I had a tour of Siemens at Allach (just near München). After many months of planning, we have finally laid eyes on the real 3801! The 3800 Class Locomotives look like identical twins to the 3700 Class and are very similar mechanically as well. The first five locomotives were seen in their final stages of construction. |
Photos or it didn't happen. |
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Pete has pretty much said everything that needs to be said now!
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beauyboy
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:05 am
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I have to say if the NSW 3801 is a kettle in the shape of a dildo then the QR 3801 is going to be it's carry box. Yeeeesssssssh Not impressed but then again it is not spose to be pretty.
Donald
For christ sakes upgrade the NCL QR!!!!!
BCC give us some more bikeways for safe travel!!
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Huggies
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:19 pm
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| 3foot6 wrote: | [Sir, that is just an oversize kettle in the shape of a dildo.
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Never thought you looked at trains in such a sexual way  .
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M636C
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:57 pm
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There was a large scale model of QR 3801 at Ausrail.
While it looks quite a lot like a 3700, it has a flat end where the second cab was on a 3700 and the bogie design is slightly different (I think).
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biqua
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:41 am
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WTF is that? Please tell me it's not a real train .... you could beat it with the fugly stick and it would look better. Any I'm not complaining about the livery either, just the hideous box under the paint. I thought american locos looked bad, but this takes the prize ... 
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3foot6
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:56 am
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| M636C wrote: | There was a large scale model of QR 3801 at Ausrail.
While it looks quite a lot like a 3700, it has a flat end where the second cab was on a 3700 and the bogie design is slightly different (I think).
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You are right, M636C, the No. 2 Ends are very similar. The 3800 Class still has a bit of a cab type shape on that end though.
I believe the the bogie design for both locomotives to be Bo-Bo-Bo.
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WTF is that? Please tell me it's not a real train .... you could beat it with the fugly stick and it would look better. Any I'm not complaining about the livery either, just the hideous box under the paint. I thought american locos looked bad, but this takes the prize ...
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I agree that the 3700/3800 Locomotives are not the most aesthetically appealing rollingstock I have seen, but with 4000kW, they will do their job with ease.
The train consist advice is at home ... From what I remember, three locomotives (arranged A/A/B) will haul about 124 coal wagons. The 3700 Class are 126t and the 3800 Class are 132t.
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M636C
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:48 pm
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| 3foot6 wrote: | | M636C wrote: | There was a large scale model of QR 3801 at Ausrail.
While it looks quite a lot like a 3700, it has a flat end where the second cab was on a 3700 and the bogie design is slightly different (I think).
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You are right, M636C, the No. 2 Ends are very similar. The 3800 Class still has a bit of a cab type shape on that end though.
I believe the the bogie design for both locomotives to be Bo-Bo-Bo.
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The Wheel Arrangement is Bo-Bo-Bo as are all QR electric locomotives.
The bogies look similar but Siemens assured me they were their own design and not copies of the old Hitachi design on the 3100/3200 series.
Certainly the traction rods are arranged a little differently, and are no longer the longest ever seen on a locomotive.
The model showed a completely flat rear end, with a small frame projection at the bottom with an anticlimber. The 3700 retains the cab shape, even retaining the sun visor over the removed cab windows, at least on the early conversions.
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