West Australian cans Manduarh Line - AGAIN!!!!!

 
  anuddernut Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the beach
Reading page 4 of today's (16/02/08) Worst Australian fueled me up to join Railpage.

This snoozepaper has been hell-bent on putting the boots into the Mandurah line since it was mooted.  Of course sometimes there are few passengers on any public transport when it leaves its outlying terminus. Perhpas they could show us the bus when it leaves Alfred Cove at 2:47pm.

Showing an empty carriage on the 2:47pm train out of Mandurah was eye-catching but how many people were in the other carriages?  

How many other carriages were there on the train - was it 3 car or 6 car?

How many passengers got off this train when it terminated on its down journey?

Of course we will never know.  All they want is another crack at Alannah and the Mandurah Railway.

As a resident of Mandurah and sometimes user (12 trips since it opened) every time I go on the train, both peak and off-peak, patronage has been good.

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  anuddernut Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the beach
Bu--er!! spelt Mandurah wrong.  Moderator please amend subject.
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
Unfortunately the West Australian ( I do like your name though Very Happy  ) is nothing more than a tabloid - printing scandal and stirring up contraversy just for the hell of it.

A $%^ newspaper that deserves no creditability at all.
  1213Driver Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Western Australia
Quite probably it was a six car set out of Mandurah.

What is really noticeable is that the people of Mandurah are a lazy lot and seem to only walk as far as they need, to board the train. With the platform arrangement requiring the passenger to walk around the end of the train, this seems to be a common situation which can often leave the front 3 car set empty until it reaches the next stop/s. A good chance for a Journo to get that "money shot" that the editor wants.

The picture in question (supposedly) being taken at 2.47pm would put the train just prior to arriving at Rockingham station - having only been able to pick up passengers at Mandurah and Warnbro. Not much chance for a crowd from those locations at that time of day.

Of course the other problem that our useless newspaper has, is a distinct lack of common sense or knowledge when it comes to railway operational requirements.
The train departing at 2.31pm from Mandurah will arrive in city in good time for the beginning of the peak period with those workers who start to finish work from 3pm onwards. The train then continuing to Clarkson and returning to city in the middle of Peak hour at 4.33pm (surprise surprise)where it will require a 6 car set to be capable of carrying the workers home to southern suburbs & Mandurah.
The train needs to be in a 6 car formation when it leaves Mandurah - passengers in it or not!!!!!

Newspaper Journos are shallow and have no understanding of railway operations and the requirements which are needed to cater to the travelling public. Likewise the majority of their readers are the same.

Read the "West" with the contempt that it deserves. I miss seeing Benny Cousins on 10 pages each day. Rolling Eyes
  BULLET Beginner

The picture shows an A running a shuttle. If it's on the up main they tend to sit right on the Mandurah service's tail. These are often very quiet in the afternoon, especially if it has just left Cockburn. It's all West Australian spin.

Cheers
  railfun Beginner

I too was disapointed with the Worst Aust gutter report. Not only the reporter mislead the reader but so did Simon OBrien should have a read up of the 2 master planes and he would find out why all the stations are were they are and where the next stations are planed to be placed .
  NMR watcher Assistant Commissioner

Bu--er!! spelt Mandurah wrong.  Moderator please amend subject.
"anuddernut"
Go to your original post and edit the subject line voila
  Ade Train Controller

Why dont you guys write into the West Australian comment section?
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
The West Australian is a Liberal National Party front.

But even they, with their monopoly, can't get'em elected.

They spent the whole of the last term rubbishing Gallop and Carpenter, but when the election came and went, pretended like nothing had happened.

I'm so glad we've got Ruddy boy up front. He's placed all the charges for the demolition of the Liberal National Party, just waiting for them to implode, before he moves on to destroying the ALP.

read thepipingshrike.blogspot.com if you don't understand how this is possible.
  EnglishElectric Chief Train Controller

Location: Perth, WA
I believe the editor of the "worst" works from the press office of Menzies House, and e-mails stories to the reporters from there!!! LaughingLaughing
EE Snr
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. They say the only thing less ethical at the worst is the editor's relationship with Mr Panama
  fleabag Assistant Commissioner

Location: Perth
Pay no attention to The West.

Even Liberal/National Party voters are embarrassed by it.
  Dusty Chief Train Controller

Location: Meckering WA
Seems to me all you blokes are preaching to the converted! Ignoring eastern states radicals like Riccardo who are trying to inflict there own one eyed opinion on us, why don't you try complaining to the West Australian? As Ade said, there is a section for just such comments. You could email or write to them. There are also the television stations if you feel strongly enough about it as well as the state government and the opposition to complain to.

Seems to me this is not realy the place. We are all rail enthusiasts here. Try telling those who are not!

Dusty.
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Seems to me all you blokes are preaching to the converted! Ignoring eastern states radicals like Riccardo who are trying to inflict there own one eyed opinion on us, why don't you try complaining to the West Australian? As Ade said, there is a section for just such comments. You could email or write to them. There are also the television stations if you feel strongly enough about it as well as the state government and the opposition to complain to.

Seems to me this is not realy the place. We are all rail enthusiasts here. Try telling those who are not!
"Dusty"


And writing stuff like this suggests that 'rail enthusiasts' is all you will ever be.

Time to grow up and stop acting like children.

You will probably leave this board after registering your indignation, but vote for the National Party again (as Meckering people do) and bring whatever pain ensues on yourself.

Did you know 75% of the Merredin electorate voted Lib and Nat? Including your dear self, I suspect Dusty.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
please no politics on our rail pages,leave it to other forums,running public transport finds many unhappy ones but there are those who enjoy the depth of rail ethos stories endevours , comments and great endeavours recorded.
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Rail and politics are the same thing - and have been in this country since at least 1854. As I have blogged.

The cylinders on your steam locomotive, the seats on your B class suburban cars, the sleepers in your track - all are political decisions and are intricately entwined with the politics of this country.

If you want politics-free train fanning, chase those little HO scale ones around a table. The full size ones are political.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Unfortunately Riccardo is right. He shouldn't be, but he is. I hate politics with a passion, but unfortunately urban planning and transport planning will always have to work with and around it.
  anuddernut Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the beach
Page 9 of "The Worst" this morning (04/07/2008) makes interesting reading given the paper's continual canning of the Government's efforts on metrorail.

February - no passengers, July too many passengers.

I am waiting but not holding my breath (cos I would sufficate) on an editorial reversing their opinion on the Rail system in Perth. Rolling EyesRolling Eyes
  Ade Train Controller

TWO sections of rail track adjacent to the Lakelands estate will be investigated for defects after a Public Transport Authority report into noise and vibration levels on the Mandurah train line.


http://www.inmycommunity.com.au/news-and-views/local-news/Railway-line-to-be-checked-for-defects/7505745/
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
So "Carps " wants a VFT to Bunbury,will it be via Mdh Pinj,or Armidale Pinj ?
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

I dont think its a matter of "Carps" wanting a VFT train to Bunbury, unlike Sir Charles wanting a rail service to Mandurah, Its a matter of it is needed. The obvious Rail Route would be a coastal route from North of Mandurah,perhaps following the alignment of the New Bunbury HwyThat is where the population boom is going to and is taking place. Cant see much sense going via Pinjarra

A VFT doesn't work in to well with slower speed Aluminia, Caustic, and Bauxite trains.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Does anyone know what effect the proposed Waroona (road) Bypass will have on the rail line through town - the reserved corridor runs right along the railway line.
  Ade Train Controller

The VFT will be running off the Mandurah line. That is the proposal. Depending on timing, I prefer it to run the Thornlie line, until it hits Cockburn Central, and then run from there to Bunbury.

They'll have to build a new spur line from the Mandurah line since at Mandurah Station the line is a dead end.
  denshaotoko Chief Train Controller

Location: Perth, Australia
The VFT will be running off the Mandurah line. That is the proposal. Depending on timing, I prefer it to run the Thornlie line, until it hits Cockburn Central, and then run from there to Bunbury.

They'll have to build a new spur line from the Mandurah line since at Mandurah Station the line is a dead end.
"Ade"


If this is indeed the plan, then my worry about the Mandurah station was indeed well placed... It seems a shame that they are now coming up with this plan, rather than pre-thinking Mandurah a bit better.

It's also difficult to see where they can feed the line southward out of Mandurah... They'll most likely have to go eastward around the Peel inlet, as the area on the west is too densely developed, and tunnels are unlikely that close to water.

Since a high-speed line will have limited options for stations along the way, they may as well lay it out across low-density areas. The same goes for inter-operating with normal train traffic, thus minimum overlay with the Mandurah Line should be done.

Maybe the "inter-city express" should branch off from the Mandurah Line where the Mandurah Line leaves the Freeway reserve and continue it along the Freeway/NPBH reserve, although with construction of that already well along, this may prove difficult, as there appears little space in the median.

The other question this brings up is railcars... I'm assuming that using existing stock would be pointless, as you'll need to account for the longer travel distance by providing more comfortable seating as well as well as toilet and possibly snack facilities.

I'd like to see what sort of speeds they are proposing, too. Obviously inter-operating with the Mandurah Line will limit the train to Australind-level speeds, so it would be an improvement for that section of track. How fast are they planning to go? Rockingham should probably be avoided due to its extremely tight corner, even if the train were to stop there.
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

Cabinent meeting held two weeks ago with departmental heads, DPI PTA Mainroads..., as to where the line to Bunbury is to go, ie... down the middlle, to the left and to the right of the coast road,

the decision has been made, I dont know what it is yet.

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