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michael
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:52 pm
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Hi,
I was driving on the SE Freeway at Callington today and I saw a semi pass me and it load was two Pacific National trailers and at Monarto Sth there was a ballast train sitting in the grain siding loco 442 &C class
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Michael
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David Peters
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:33 pm
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Pac Nat are into lots of things other than just rail Michael, they have containers as well, so having trucks etc makes some kind of sense! They are what is called a logistic company, which is what some people would call a transport company!
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nscaler69
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:39 pm
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| michael wrote: | | I saw a semi pass me and it load was two Pacific National trailers] |
D P He doesn't mention if it was a Pac Nat semi just Pac Nat containers, since you must be extremely knowledgeably by the amount of reply's you always do, I would be interested to know how many semis Pac Nat own and what make prime movers they have.
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David Peters
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:56 pm
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Well they would have some trucks etc for emergencies and probably day to day things, even the SAR had trucks and semi's. I have seen a PN prime mover, although it was only for towing container trailers around the container terminal, but as I said they would probably have a few trucks of various types! Not every thing can be done by rail, it is sometimes quicker to road something, especially in an emergency or if you have a major problem out on the track somewhere. Not saying they have hundred's, but they would have some for this type of work etc!
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ShowMeTheMoney
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:27 pm
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| David Peters wrote: | | Not every thing can be done by rail, it is sometimes quicker to road something, especially in an emergency or if you have a major problem out on the track somewhere. |
So does this mean the PN train drivers will go get in a truck and deliver the goods if a loco breaks-down?
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bingley hall
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:02 am
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These were probably containers destined for AX7 'Trailerail' service which I assume still connects with MP7 at Port Augusta.
Even going back to the early days of these services, early Saturday morning on the SE Freeway would usually see a few Trailerail units heading for Adelaide from Melbourne.
Even though MP7 had a late cut off in Melbourne, some forwarders still despatched Trailerail trailers as late as midnight which would still get to Adelaide in time to be added to MP7.
Probably a similar thing still happens today except that it is containers instead of Trailerail units. PN may own the skels, but I would doubt the prime mover or drivers are theirs - though I am happy to be corrected.
PN containers on 3PM7 last week
Bing
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Pressman
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:56 am
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| ShowMeTheMoney wrote: | | David Peters wrote: | | Not every thing can be done by rail, it is sometimes quicker to road something, especially in an emergency or if you have a major problem out on the track somewhere. |
So does this mean the PN train drivers will go get in a truck and deliver the goods if a loco breaks-down? |
I remember reading an item in Catchpoint a few years back.
FCL (I think) were trying to get a contract to transport Australia Post cargo by rail into Perth. As Australia Post consider the mail as a time sensitive cargo, they insisted on guaranteed on-time delivery.
In the article in question there was a blockage on the line between Kalgoorlie and Perth, FCL actually dispatched a Mobile crane and a few semis out to the site where the train was stabled and removed the Australia Post containers and roaded them to Perth to maintain the delivery time.
Sometimes a little extra effort is needed to win traditional road freight over to rail.
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ParkesHub
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:11 am
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| Pressman wrote: | | ShowMeTheMoney wrote: | | David Peters wrote: | | Not every thing can be done by rail, it is sometimes quicker to road something, especially in an emergency or if you have a major problem out on the track somewhere. |
So does this mean the PN train drivers will go get in a truck and deliver the goods if a loco breaks-down? |
I remember reading an item in Catchpoint a few years back.
FCL (I think) were trying to get a contract to transport Australia Post cargo by rail into Perth. As Australia Post consider the mail as a time sensitive cargo, they insisted on guaranteed on-time delivery.
In the article in question there was a blockage on the line between Kalgoorlie and Perth, FCL actually dispatched a Mobile crane and a few semis out to the site where the train was stabled and removed the Australia Post containers and roaded them to Perth to maintain the delivery time.
Sometimes a little extra effort is needed to win traditional road freight over to rail. |
Yes, it was FCL and that did happen.
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rhino
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:31 am
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| michael wrote: | Hi,
I was driving on the SE Freeway at Callington today and I saw a semi pass me and it load was two Pacific National trailers and at Monarto Sth there was a ballast train sitting in the grain siding loco 442 &C class
Thankyou
Michael |
Can someone see the word containers in the above post? I can't. Michael says he saw a semi with two PacNat trailers. I drive the freeway a lot and have not seen PacNat trailers - so thanks for the heads-up Michael.
Cheers, Rhino
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bingley hall
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:41 am
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| rhino wrote: | | michael wrote: | Hi,
I was driving on the SE Freeway at Callington today and I saw a semi pass me and it load was two Pacific National trailers and at Monarto Sth there was a ballast train sitting in the grain siding loco 442 &C class
Thankyou
Michael |
Can someone see the word containers in the above post? I can't. Michael says he saw a semi with two PacNat trailers. I drive the freeway a lot and have not seen PacNat trailers - so thanks for the heads-up Michael. |
Sorry for all the irrelevant if interesting information people have posted above - remind us not to bother next time.
Perhaps Michael would like to clarify - he has had plenty of opportunity to do so and it would help as if he could be a bit more specific as to exactly what he saw.
If it was two 'trailers' loaded on another semi-trailer then it is not much of a story. PN owns a siginificant number of its own trailer skels and two were seen heading to Adelaide recently on a 3PM7 service...an observant traveller e-mailed me this pic
They had probably been built in the West and were on their way to Melbourne for local use by PN as part of its local Express Freight (ex Trailerail) service to customers.
But again I'm only guessing that's what he saw?
Bing
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rhino
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:52 am
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Sorry for all the irrelevant if interesting information people have posted above - remind us not to bother next time. |
 Bing, your sarcasm cracks me up. And thanks for the last half of your post - that really was interesting.
Cheers, Rhino
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Pressman
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:27 pm
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Now that is something you don't see everyday ...
Not just one trailer designed to carry containers being carried on a container flat, but two in such an arrangment!
Thanks to you and your observant traveller friend
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David Peters
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:08 pm
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Lets hope that the person who had a bit of a go at me at the top about PN trucks takes a bo peep at those photos, I rest my case. So all PN do is trains huh! I would imagine that if they have the trailers that they would also might have the primemovers to pull them! 
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EMD16-645E3C
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:23 pm
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| David Peters wrote: | | Lets hope that the person who had a bit of a go at me at the top about PN trucks takes a bo peep at those photos, I rest my case. So all PN do is trains huh! I would imagine that if they have the trailers that they would also might have the primemovers to pull them! |
Im not sure on the prime movers.
I think Pacific National are going along the lines of what Macfield are doing with leasing their containers with traliers. In Pacific Nationa case lease the traliers with the 48ft containers that run on MP7/PM7.
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nutbagg
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:48 pm
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PN have some tautliners left over from the Victorian Fastrack, that are blue with the "Pacific National" down each side. I assume they have been sold or PN is using them somewhere else as Fastrack was shut down. I wouldn't call PN a logistics company in the same sense as SCT. PN do rail linehaul but nothing else to do with road haulage. They would sub it out or tell the customer to find someone else to move it by road.
Mate, if that loco pulls as hard as you do, it'd move anything.
I'd still rather have an ALCo.
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