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Poath Junction
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:31 am
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Just reading the latest Railway Digest and found there's the usual info about 92 class in the "contracts and deliveries" section, then right under it they list PN has ordered 15 x 91 class locos with these specs:
manufacturer EMD/EDI, standard gauge, GT46C-ACe 3200kw. Now go look at the specs of the SCT class locos and... they're the same!  We knew EDI had extra locos ordered that couldn't be accounted for with the previously known announcements so now we know where they're going.
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Raichase
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:59 pm
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Very interesting! Thanks for sharing, please keep us posted 
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M636C
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:18 pm
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One of the problems with the RD contracts list is the variable sources of information. I believe this data came from EDI, largely because no information ever comes from Pacific National.
John doesn't keep a searchable record giving the sources of his data for every one of the thousands of entries, and I've never seen the data that led to this entry.
As it came in, the information specified these units as model SD70 ACe, but also as PN class 91. There is nowhere real SD70 ACes could run currently served by PN. The Hunter Valley track could easily carry an SD70 ACe, but there are an awful lot of overbridges they wouldn't fit under.
A lot of these reports are made prematurely and the orders don't get finally placed. Certainly in their list of SD70 ACe orders at Ausrail 2007 there was a number of around fifty units quoted and when I queried it they corrected the number to the 30 odd then on order for BHPB.
Sometimes EMD export units are initially referred to by the original domestic model number, particularly if a locomotive uses a lot of original components.
PN might be able to use a locomotive built to ANZR clearances on a standard SD70 ACe frame, and this might be built in Canada, as was done with the first 31 90 class.
This is speculation based on a genuine report for which there has been little additional information. This might have been a proposal that didn't go as far as an order, or it might still be delivered.
However, building in Canada would allow a heavy locomotive, limited to the Hunter Valley, built more cheaply and more quickly than could be done in Australia. It would have the same EMD model number as the SCT locomotives because of the way the EMD system works, even if it had nothing but the engine in common.
This might happen, or it might be a premature report, or an order that was subsequently cancelled.
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pm1225
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:57 pm
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| M636C wrote: | PN might be able to use a locomotive built to ANZR clearances on a standard SD70 ACe frame, and this might be built in Canada, as was done with the first 31 90 class.
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All EMD locomotives are now built in London Ortario Canada [its only across the river from USA] and have been for some years.
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M636C
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:22 pm
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| pm1225 wrote: | | M636C wrote: | PN might be able to use a locomotive built to ANZR clearances on a standard SD70 ACe frame, and this might be built in Canada, as was done with the first 31 90 class.
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All domestic EMD locomotives are now built in London, Ontario Canada [its only across the river from USA] and have been for some years. |
That's not quite true! Some locomotives are built in the USA, in the Super Steel Schenectady plant, not far from the old Alco factory and also in the old Pennsylvania Railroad (now NS) workshops in Altoona PA. Some units have been built in Mexico as well.
London Ontario is the only remaining EMD factory, however. The other plants are subcontractors who do other work.
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jb17kx
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:06 am
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| M636C wrote: | | pm1225 wrote: | | M636C wrote: | PN might be able to use a locomotive built to ANZR clearances on a standard SD70 ACe frame, and this might be built in Canada, as was done with the first 31 90 class.
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All domestic EMD locomotives are now built in London, Ontario Canada [its only across the river from USA] and have been for some years. |
That's not quite true! Some locomotives are built in the USA, in the Super Steel Schenectady plant, not far from the old Alco factory and also in the old Pennsylvania Railroad (now NS) workshops in Altoona PA. |
Do GE still maintain an operation at Schenectady, or is it all at Erie now?
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Alco_Haulic
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:27 am
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Won't surprise me in the least if they are copies of the SCT loco's.
PN isn't into risk taking, so if they can get a design that has already been certified for use, they'll go that way. Rather than have to do all the testing and potential pit falls of a brand new design.
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The_trolley
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:09 am
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When SCT001 and SCT002 were at Narrabri undergoing trials there was apparently alot of interest shown by Pacnat into there performance with the idea of having some built for coal haulage out of the Gunnedah basin.
92's kept in the Hunter Valley fully fueled on the 1XC track and 91's capable of doing two round trips to Boggabri or the new Turrawonga mine on the lighter Class 1 track before refueling is what has drifted through here.
Going back a few years it was also mentioned Pacnat planned to built a number of 13,000L fuel tank equipped 82's to do Gunnedah basin work, the 91's could be that idea's replacement as obviously there still arent any 13,000L 82's around.
For now thats rumour, wait and see how it plays out.
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Polar Tiger
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:24 pm
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Today in Melbourne XW4 from Adelaide had a new loco underframe perched on the trailing wagon.
Would this be a frame for the new 91/92 class?
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Last edited by Polar Tiger on Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:31 pm; edited 1 time in total
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4705-44201NB
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:19 pm
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That is not a 92 class frame
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Alco251_244
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:13 pm
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I photographed this frame at Pt. Augusta Workshops on 22/7. They look to be GT46ACe frames as they are exactly the same style.
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M636C
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:00 pm
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I am concerned that I not start any kind of wild rumour here but the photos do appear to show a GT46 ACe frame painted in different colours than I recall on seeing photos of the SCT frames.
So, if this is not just one of the last SCT frames painted in different undercoat, and is a GT46 ACe intentionally painted in yellow and blue for another customer, it is indeed what a 91 class frame would look like.
I'm happy to wait and see: there really was a report of a 91 class and it might actually happen yet.
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4705-44201NB
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:22 pm
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It wouldn't be an SCT frame as there are only 15 SCT units and all 15 are built.
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M636C
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:34 pm
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| 4705-44201NB wrote: | | It wouldn't be an SCT frame as there are only 15 SCT units and all 15 are built. |
I assumed that all were finished or nearly so.
But this is clearly the same design as the SCT.
It isn't a QR 4100 or 90 or a Q.
So who does it belong to?
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