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Wilfy2007
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Last Visited: Nov 23, 2008 Location: N.S.W.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:47 pm
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Recently Railcorp took out of service the 620 class Railcars in the Hunter Valley.
Does anybody know when or if these sets will be offered for sale.
Would like to see New England Railway Inc., purchase one of these sets if possible as they will be operational.
Any body have any information about this.
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Wilfy 2007
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Comeng Gunzel
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drwaddles
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:01 pm
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There's 4 or 5 sets of them, at least, sitting at Broadmeadow.
People who talk out their asre usually have bad breath.
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Junction box
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:46 pm
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I have a dream to see them operate as a tourist rail to Cessnock and Toronto, maybe back and forth sounds good..
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Smithy4869
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:40 am
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Maybe 620's to Cessnock could be technically feasible but it is highly unlikely to ever see the railcars go to Toronto, especially without tracks.
The whole yard at Fassifern (Toronto side) is now a car park.
The only platform left on the Cessnock line (near Cessnock itself) is Caledonia or alternatively Neath with a Pub lunch might be the idea. Great grub at the Pub nearby.
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KRviator
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Joined: Apr 23, 2005 Last Visited: Nov 23, 2008 Location: Cab of a 90 Class
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:57 am
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The tracks to Toronto, are for the most part, still in place.
There is, or at least was, talk of converting a couple of sets into track recording cars similar in function to the AK cars. I think the theory was along the lines of being small, fast and self-propelled they could do the shorter trips while the AK cars with their sleeper and lounge facilities can do the long-haul interstate stuff.
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a6et
Chief Commissioner
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:32 pm
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[quote="Smithy4869.
The whole yard at Fassifern (Toronto side) is now a car park.
Smithy[/quote]
Smithy
The area where the car park is, & was pretty well always a car park.
Fassifern only had a goods siding near the down platform on the NCLE end.
The existing branch platform did have a run round/ crossing loop, & whilst the track there is covered over, it would not be all that hard to get it running again.
Whilst I do not see it happening, its not impossible
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Ben_Daui
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NSWRTM123
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:10 pm
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| Ben_Daui wrote: | And the Tendor process
https://tenders.nsw.gov.au/railcorp/shared/rftdetail.cfm?p_id=17921&p_criteria=08%2F09010&p_advert=0
This does have some info reguarding the 620/720's in societies that need to moved on. |
The only 620/720 on the list is 636/736, which is part of the RTM collection at Valley Heights, so see it while you can
636/736 became part of the collection in 2006, when the sets were with drawn, but were reserved prior to this (open to correction).
Don't Make 'em like they used to
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alltrainzfan
Chief Commissioner
Joined: Sep 19, 2005 Last Visited: Nov 21, 2008 Location: At Many of Places Yet Nowhere
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:19 pm
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Is it just me, or has the NSW Tenders website gone down today? It says that the page cannot be displayed.
Apparently set 636/736 held by the RTM at Valley Heights is in Candy, and in a very derelict condition.
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lelo4851
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:53 pm
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The 620/720 railmotors at Valley Heights are in very derelict condition so the only thing they are good for is scrap, as they have no brake apart form hand brakes ,
very few windows thanks to the vandals,
and no complete motors .
I shall upload some pics of them as im a current operational member and will be up for night patrols for when the steamers from the caves express are stabled there,23-26 may though out the nights.
if i see a graffitie artist i will kill them with my bare hands ,smegs
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8050
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Joined: Feb 19, 2008 Last Visited: Nov 23, 2008 Location: proudly a dribbly foamer ****
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:40 pm
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| lelo4851 wrote: | The 620/720 railmotors at Valley Heights are in very derelict condition so the only thing they are good for is scrap, as they have no brake apart form hand brakes ,
very few windows thanks to the vandals,
and no complete motors .
I shall upload some pics of them as im a current operational member and will be up for night patrols for when the steamers from the caves express are stabled there,23-26 may though out the nights. |
Lee, one set has been sold to ''The Train Movers'' and the other will be disposed of in the ''great nsw heritage auction''.
Last edited by 8050 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:04 pm; edited 1 time in total
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SMR30
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Joined: Jul 20, 2004 Last Visited: Nov 21, 2008 Location: Not close enough to the Main Northern Line where i live :(
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:41 pm
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| Quote: | | I have a dream to see them operate as a tourist rail to Cessnock and Toronto, maybe back and forth sounds good.. |
Toronto would be awesome, when I was at Fassiefern while waiting for the return Coalie, got board of waiting so went for shot walk next to the line, even from the platform it is such a beautiful line and cause it had been raining that first short bridge had water flowing under it very nice.
Was daydreaming of seing a a Rail Motor set there then though of something better a 30 class tank on two FO's as a tourist line.
It's never impossible to for that line to become a tourist railway.
But also have to think when fuel prices reach very hight prices there will be a need for some sort of transport to Toronto, so who know's what the future may hold for the line for the line, if trains may make a come back.
I can't imagine that the bus service to Toronto is any quicker or better.
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a6et
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:22 pm
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| SMR30 wrote: | | Quote: | | I have a dream to see them operate as a tourist rail to Cessnock and Toronto, maybe back and forth sounds good.. |
Toronto would be awesome, when I was at Fassiefern while waiting for the return Coalie, got board of waiting so went for shot walk next to the line, even from the platform it is such a beautiful line and cause it had been raining that first short bridge had water flowing under it very nice.
Was daydreaming of seing a a Rail Motor set there then though of something better a 30 class tank on two FO's as a tourist line.
It's never impossible to for that line to become a tourist railway.
But also have to think when fuel prices reach very hight prices there will be a need for some sort of transport to Toronto, so who know's what the future may hold for the line for the line, if trains may make a come back.
I can't imagine that the bus service to Toronto is any quicker or better. |
There is little doubt that a location such as the Toronto line & the Cessnock lines could more than likely be succesfull tourist lines.
Both are within easy reach of Sydney & the Newcastle area, & as such could attract people, but, what is the attraction beyond rail enthusiasts? & that is the big thing.
Its fine to have a tourist railway, but what is at the end of the ride? Toronto is a nice little burg, but looking around the lake, is there enough there that will attract people of sufficient numbers to have it pay? I have been there, & its nice enough, but not enough that I would want to go there very often.
Cessnock has an advantage in that its not far from the plonk paddocks, so you could attract some of those who would see an advantage in staying at the sample bars, but don't many of those people go by bus anyway?
Therein lies the problem with that line, get from Sydney by train, change at Hamilton for a Maitland connection, change at Maitland for Cessnock, & the a bus to a plonk paddock. Now when you think about doing the whole thing in reverse it makes a long day from Sydney.
Compare that with a bus trip & times, & they see several wineries & have lunch etc & usually are away only 8-9 hrs from Sydney. Sadly to do it by rail, unless a direct service was had, the travel times would be much longer, & less time at the plonk padddocks which is the main attraction.
I doubt very much if the figures would add up
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Bwana
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:06 pm
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But how many tourist railways have anything at the end? Around NSW:
LVR - OK Cowra's got a bit, but normally Cowra is the starting point, not the destination. Noonbinna? Koorawatha? At Harden I suppose you can at least get another train to somewhere interesting.
ZZR - a railway station at one end, a road at the other. literally nothing else.
Thirlmere - A standard country town. Buxton - nothing.
Glenreagh - in fairness, can't comment. I drove right through the place and didn't even realise I'd passed it. I guess that's a hint as to how much is there.
Dorrigo - Standard Country town, nice, but no particular attractions.
ARHS-ACT - I suppose you'd say Bungendore is their regular destination. Haven't been there enough to say in detail, but really it's just a general store, isn't it?
CMR - Chakola, from memory a platform and a shed, that's about it isn't it?
Oberon - I believe at present intends to open, at least to start with, in a crossing loop with no real attractions - similar to Chakola and Buxton.
Richmond Vale - not even a crossing loop IIRC, just a station with a few artefacts on it.
All of these organisations (or at least the ones that have started operations) are doing OK.
My point is not to dump on any of these organisations, but to point out that the train trip IS the attraction, you don't need another one at the end.
PS I left out '01Ltd because thay don't have a regular stamping ground, so I couldn't name any one place as the standard '01Ltd destination. Apologies to any other organisations I may have left out (maybe you need to do a bit of work on promotion!!)
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