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ivahri
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:54 pm
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| albert3801 wrote: | | Crazy-D wrote: | | Speaking of weird, what were the stopping patterns of some trains to Campbelltown prior to the East Hills line extending to Glenfield? |
Early 80's afternoon peak: City Circle, Central, Redfern, Regents Park, Macquarie Fields all to Macarthur. That was an example of a Campbelltown express run. |
This particular service had a very interesting history extending back into the ill-fated attempt by the PTC in the 70's to introduce express services unfortunately using rolling stock not up to the job. This service started out as a very rare loco hauled Campbelltown starter. There was also a U Boat service to/from Campbelltown that also ran during the same period. No I haven't been drinking... caught the loco hauled passenger from Macquarie Fields many times (and the U boat when I missed it).
Later this service became a standard single deck/sometimes DD electric. The old single decks could certainly fly when given a clear run- mind you the motion sideways & up (particularly on the points at Villawood/Leightonfield) gave great value for money!
These unusual services would make a great AHN article.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:13 pm
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Here's my contribution to some unusual ones.
Typically the "skip-stop" Illawarra trains run thus:
Both Waterfall & Cronulla services (Up & Down) never stop at Erko, St. Peters, Tempe, Arncliffe, Banksia, Carlton or Allawah. Waterfall services all stops between there & Hurstville, Cronulla services additionally skip Oatley & Como.
The following are all Down ESR/Illawarra services.Run 6--B
Dep BJN 0713, all Redfern, Sydenham, Rockdale, Kogarah, Hurstville, all Cronulla (dunno arr time, as I get relieved at Morty).
Run 20-B aka The Sutho Express
Dep BJN 0650, all Redfern, Sydenham, Kogarah, Hurstville, Sutherland, arr 0735.
Run 4--B
Dep BJN 0547, all Redfern, Sydenham, all Mortdale, Jannali, all Waterfall (I also get relieved at Morty on this one).
Run 7--B aka The Hursty Express
Dep BJN 0812, all Redfern, Sydenham, Wolli Ck, Rockdale, Kogarah, Hurstville, arr 0851.
I'll post some other unusual ones as I think of them.
BTW these are all Waterfall diagrams.
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tsgsjm
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:38 pm
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| wurx wrote: | Here's my contribution to some unusual ones.
Typically the "skip-stop" Illawarra trains run thus:
Both Waterfall & Cronulla services (Up & Down) never stop at Erko, St. Peters, Tempe, Arncliffe, Banksia, Carlton or Allawah. Waterfall services all stops between there & Hurstville, Cronulla services additionally skip Oatley & Como.
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Dont say never, I did 23S and 3P the other week and they were Sydenham all to Waterfall.
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hurstville1
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:51 pm
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WYD Saturday We Have:
Every half hour starting from 8.16 Starting at C'town then all Stations to Revesby, beverlys Hills, Sydneham, Redfern then CC
All South Line Trains WILL be stopping at Clyde
NO North Shore Trains will stop at North Sydney but a half hourly train will start from there and continue to Emu Plains
NO Western Line trains stopping at Clyde
Hourly Quakers Hill all stations to Granville then Lidcombe, Strathfield, Burwood, Redfern Central then all to North Sydney
The 8.29 and 9.24 from Dapto will stop all stations to Thirroul then Helenburgh, Waterfall, Heathcote, Sutherland, hurstville, Wolli Creek then Sydney terminal
There will be a 4.50 from Syd Terminal stopping Wolli Creek then Limited to Sutherland then all stations to Waterfall then Thirroul and Wollongong
WYD: Weekdays
Half Hourly Sutherland, Mortdale then all stations.
A few off peak Cronulla all to Sutherland then Hurstville, Kogarah, Rockdale, Sydneham, Redfern then all to Bondi
A 3.14 and 3.18 from Mortdale one stopping all other stopping Limited
8.05 From Bondi all stations to Sydneham(excuding St Peter and Erskinvilel) then Hurstville
As mentioned a Campelltwon stopping all to Cabramatta then Farfield, Guildford then norm to City
7.04 from Liverpool then all stations to Granville then Lidcombe then all to Summer Hill then Redfern and C.c
9.25 Hornsby all to Central via North Shore
10.32 North Sydney then all to Redfern then Parramatta
Half Hourly from 10.37 trains from Gordon stopping Lindfield, Chatswood, St Leonards, North Sydney then proceeds to Hornsby via Starthfield
Won't bother to continue as each timetable ie; north shore and Western Line timetables show different things 
Good days to bring out your recorder and record some D.V.A
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Crazy-D
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:34 pm
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It seems that some really odd patterns will be done during this period.
One on the East Hills line (WYD Sunday) which seems really odd is the C'town all to Riverwood then Central. Considering that the train does not stop at Redfern could that possibly mean it would be travelling via the Airport Line not stopping at the stations along it? Although something like that does actually seem unlikely based on the timetables where it'd have to overtake the slow train on the mains or something.
Some Bankstown trains take 5-6 minutes to get from Redfern to Central. Either something is up or some queuing of trains or thats some rather large padding.
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wurx
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:12 am
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| tsgsjm wrote: | | wurx wrote: | Here's my contribution to some unusual ones.
Typically the "skip-stop" Illawarra trains run thus:
Both Waterfall & Cronulla services (Up & Down) never stop at Erko, St. Peters, Tempe, Arncliffe, Banksia, Carlton or Allawah. Waterfall services all stops between there & Hurstville, Cronulla services additionally skip Oatley & Como.
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Dont say never, I did 23S and 3P the other week and they were Sydenham all to Waterfall. |
You'll note that I was referring to Illawarra "skip-stoppers", not all-stoppers. Never meant to imply there was no all stoppers. The two runs you quote always are all to Redfern, Sydenham then all to Waterfall.
In fact, to be pedantic, they are not true all-stoppers, as they never stop at Erko or St. Peters. Generally the only time that Illawarra services stop at those stations is when the Banko is out for trackwork.
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paulbrown73
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:00 am
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early 80's had the summer penrith - regents pk - bankstown - sydneham - cronulla beach train. Will post image of tt soon.
Last edited by paulbrown73 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:33 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:14 pm
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| Crazy-D wrote: | | One on the East Hills line (WYD Sunday) which seems really odd is the C'town all to Riverwood then Central. Considering that the train does not stop at Redfern could that possibly mean it would be travelling via the Airport Line not stopping at the stations along it? |
I have been on a service from Macarthur one afternoon which was running quite late so it was diverted to run express Riverwood to Central. Went via the outer express track after Kingsgrove, then through Sydenham and Redfern without stopping. Doubt the WYD one would be any different.
"The trains at Pennant Hills run roughly every half hour. Nobody in their right mind uses a service that shoddy. That so many do just proves how many dumb and/or desperate people there are in Sydney." - MrPC
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art83
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:08 pm
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| Crazy-D wrote: | | Some Bankstown trains take 5-6 minutes to get from Redfern to Central. Either something is up or some queuing of trains or thats some rather large padding. |
Nearly all of the "express" trains that go Hornsby and first stop Chatswood take over 20 min on the WYD weekday timetable, and some are scheduled to take even longer than an all stations train (which takes around 23 min).
So, either they'll be crawling along at 30km/h all the way from Hornsby to Chatswood, or they'll be waiting for 10 min at Chatswood...
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Kamz
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:19 pm
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| art83 wrote: | | Crazy-D wrote: | | Some Bankstown trains take 5-6 minutes to get from Redfern to Central. Either something is up or some queuing of trains or thats some rather large padding. |
Nearly all of the "express" trains that go Hornsby and first stop Chatswood take over 20 min on the WYD weekday timetable, and some are scheduled to take even longer than an all stations train (which takes around 23 min).
So, either they'll be crawling along at 30km/h all the way from Hornsby to Chatswood, or they'll be waiting for 10 min at Chatswood... |
They'll be crawling and rightly so. But they're Hornsby - Gordon express trains on Sat 19th at night to keep the punters happy.  (not really it's all for operational purposes).
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Fred3801
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:36 pm
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I've noticed some nights when I finish late (as in 930), a particular South Line train out of Central (arr 943) has an unusual stopping pattern after Liverpool. It gets me into Ashfield by 9.54 but when it gets to Liverpool, it goes straight to Ingleburn then Campbelltown (arr 1055).
Why is this? And why doesn't is even stop and Glenfield, AND why Ingleburn out of all the others?
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parraeel
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:17 am
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Back in the days when we had a regular Y link service, we had one train in the afternoon that stopped all to Liverpool then Ingleburn.
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Crazy-D
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:10 am
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In the May 2001 timetable there was a Regents Park train that ran similar to that late Granville train, Liverpool 2:36, Ingleburn 2:43, Campbelltown 2:51.
The particular teminating Blacktown service that was mentioned seems rather odd. It arrives 15 minutes before it leaves and looking at the timetable it'd have to mean that it terminated on platform 2, waited 10 minutes then went south and over the points then reversed back to platform 1. I'm basing that from the timetable whereas if it terminated straight on platform 1 another service would of been held up. *shrugs*
There was also a few more which were just Campbelltown - Ingleburn - Glenfield or vise-versa but they were mainly for Regents Park, Bankstown or Blacktown services.
I'm actually curious if anyone does have the answer as to why Ingleburn recieves more such services than Minto, Lumeah and at times the ones that skip Glenfield (only stopping at Ingleburn and Campbelltown). I can understand Macquarie Fields being skipped because it has 1/2 the pax of Ingleburn, but Minto, Lumeah and Glenfield all have a few hundred more.
[Source: Stats provided in another post]
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Davy
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:54 pm
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There was a train that terminated at Fairfield, and went back in the opposite direction, towards the City/Blacktown back in 2004 at night.
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Crazy-D
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:37 pm
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That originated from St Mary's terminated at Fairfield at 9:40pm. It then at 9:49pm headed back to Blacktown.
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