Re-opening the Cobram line to Passenger Traffic

 
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


Now stating that patronage would 'double' is not backed up by fact, given that, for example, the Leongatha passenger market studies concluded that a switch to rail would only increase patronage by around 25% (see Transnet study 05/07 section 1.3.1).
"ZH836301"


How could you possibly use a Government perdition for something that hasn't happened (that report had a lot of fabricated Info/data In to support the Governments plans)
What you can trust this the patronage Increases from the restoration of rail passenger services to Bairnsdale, Ararat and Echuca.
What you do need to watch Is Maryborough when It's passenger service gets restored

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Now stating that patronage would 'double' is not backed up by fact, given that, for example, the Leongatha passenger market studies concluded that a switch to rail would only increase patronage by around 25% (see Transnet study 05/07 section 1.3.1).
"ZH836301"


This is where I agree with you ZH, because the communities of Korumburra and Leongatha weren't strongly motivated to lobby for the return of the train; consequently a slower train journey than the bus, no matter how scenic, didn't cut the mustard with south Gippsland, however other communities are strongly supportive of the return of their pax train, particularly Maryborough.

This will reflect in the greater pax percentage increase I mentionend earlier.

I believe Ararat, Bairnsdale and Echuca stand as testament of my argument.

Mike.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Source?
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
*Ararat - Media Release 11/07/05

"Mr Batchelor said one year ago today, the Bracks Government returned trains to Ararat after a ten-year absence, and since then, patronage had grown by 29 per cent".

I'm not sure if there was a corresponding service increase with the return of rail services.

*Vline - Patronage Media Release

Note the comparatively low increases for lower frequency lines like Warrnambool and Swan Hill.

These are better sources for comparisons with Vline coach services.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Thankyou for saving me the effort of proving my point.
  aussiebbq Assistant Commissioner

Location: Ballarat, Australia

Note the comparatively low increases for lower frequency lines like Warrnambool and Swan Hill.
"ZH836301


Warrnambool would be better if trains run express between Geelong and Melborune, any people I have talked to in Warrnambool say that they would take the train if it was a little faster, because of this most tend to drive. Any example of how people will use rail transport if it is there.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Thankyou for saving me the effort of proving my point.  
"Mikelander"

Which would be?

30% in an up year with induced demand and most likely concurrent service increase is hardly amazing.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Government did look at restoring passenger services beyond Shepparton a few years ago . Report used to be on DOT website.  Basically costs too much and not worth doing, and therefore is a dead issue .  The track Shepparton - Strathmerton is 65kmh standard, basic sleeper condition and very aged rail . Track would need fairly substantial upgrade .

Lower end of GV line is old rail too especially Mangalore - Murchison East which should be relaid with cascaded 47kg rail ex RFR and welded, extensive tie renewal and extra ballast depth . Murchsion East - Mooroopna is already 47kg rail , needs tie renewal and greater ballast depth . That would achieve Class-2 track and allow loco hauled at 115 kmh to Shepparton or 130 kmh for DMU's with extra lx protection .  That would be a far more sensible expenditure of Government funds allowing a faster and more frequent service to be run to Shepparton .
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
For this board's information, the following is in today's Numurkah Leader.


Council to investigate the return of passenger rail
Wednesday, 20 May 2009

MOIRA Shire Council has provided in principle support for the return of passenger rail services to Numurkah and Cobram, after receiving a number of requests from the community.

At its meeting on Monday night, council resolved to write to the Victorian Government seeking an investigation into the feasibility of returning the passenger rail services to the shire.

Cr Tim McCurdy said council would support the principle of passenger rail services in a bid to ensure residents had access to similar transport opportunities as metropolitan residents.

“Passenger rail services were taken away from Cobram in 1993. When you look at the public transport opportunities they have in metropolitan areas, you can see we really are the poor cousins,” he said.

Cr Alex Monk said a return of passenger rail services would reduce the problems disabled and elderly people had with accessing public transport.

“If disabled or elderly people travel to Seymour and have to change from a bus to a train, they can really face major difficulties getting on and off these services,” she said.
"Numurkah Leader"
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
MOIRA Shire Council has provided in principle
"toxation"

After watching hours of Yes Minister, the pessimist in me is saying that nothing's gonna happen.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Yes, and Numurkah Station building is now a funeral director's business, embalming and all that. Its Dead.  As a Dodo.

Would they build a new station building or tell the Funeral Parlour to go elsewhere?
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
Yes, and Numurkah Station building is now a funeral director's business, embalming and all that. Its Dead.  As a Dodo.

Would they build a new station building or tell the Funeral Parlour to go elsewhere?
"574M"

Photo from Vicsig:

On the subject of the station, I noticed that they have a corrugated iron wall coming down from the canopy.
Comparison from Vicrailstations.com:

Here you can see the wall of the station, where the station signs are, etc.
In the conversion of the funeral parlour was this wall knocked down?
Also, wouldn't the station building be owned by Victrack, or is that just the railway and platform, etc?

EDIT: Bigimg tags don't work.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
This is one of the more serious problems with the Wagga proposal, the last thing the Albury service needs is 50 more passengers.
"woodford"

If you ran an extra service each day then it would distribute passengers between them better. That would require another car set however...
"wongm"


Not to go off topic too much, Marcus, but word on the ground mentions that an additional return day service to Shepparton is not too far off being a reality.  

And another reality which might yet come is the extension of the 1513 Sunday service to SHN. One bus connection at Seymour, often increased to two buses.

(Cross-posted from the NE to SG thread as it is off topic there)
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
I see Vicsig are not letting you hotlink there, hotdog!

You will have to tell Vicsig they ain't hot, hot, hot!

Perhaps these might satisfy:

[bigimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Numurkah_station.jpg[/bigimg]

or a more apt view:

[bigimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Numurkah_station_overview.jpg[/bigimg]

and thank you MGH for fixing the bigimg tag !!!
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
I see Vicsig are not letting you hotlink there, hotdog!

You will have to tell Vicsig they ain't hot, hot, hot!

Perhaps these might satisfy:

[bigimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Numurkah_station.jpg[/bigimg]

or a more apt view:

[bigimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Numurkah_station_overview.jpg[/bigimg]

and thank you MGH™ for fixing the bigimg tag !!!
"574M"

Ok... Funny that I can see the picture- what do you mean by not letting me hotlink?
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Isn't it amazing how the wheel turns.
I was on a trip (railfan I guess) with my family, in what would have been the mid eighties, when I was photographed (on Numurkah platform) and splashed across the front page of the local rag as looking out for the return of services to Numurkah (and Cobram I think)!
Sad to see Numurkah as it looks now. It's so hard to believe how everything's changed. Thought it was gloomy in the eighties!
All hail to the elected government!
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
The Nats member for Murray Valley, one Ken Jasper, has got behind a petition to restore services to Numurkah, Strathmerton and Cobram. (Mind you , the little town of Katunga misses out) ...


Mr Jasper claims some success in getting rail services reinstated.
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
Good news. Hopefully alot of people will participate.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Note the comparatively low increases for lower frequency lines like Warrnambool and Swan Hill.



http://www.vline.com.au/media/news/MediaReleases/1367/Article.aspx

have a look at the Swan Hill patronage.  V/Line can't do their sums.

Swan Hill *  2007 April 25,436     2008 April 31,068    + 3.3%

Echuca * 2007 April 20,333       2008 April 25,089    + 23.4%

When I went to school, a lift from 25,000 to 31,000 was closer to 20%, not 3.3%.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Nats member for Murray Valley, one Ken Jasper, has got behind a petition to restore services to Numurkah, Strathmerton and Cobram. (Mind you , the little town of Katunga misses out) ...


Mr Jasper claims some success in getting rail services reinstated.
574M

This was not raised at the perfect time, the Victoria State Election 2018.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Deep sea trawling, here bevans, close to another record...........Razz

Interesting thread, though.

BigShunter.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Good pickup bevans as nothing has been mentioned north of Shepparton and agree interesting thread.

Is the station and track still in place ?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Numurkah: 4,768

Strathmerton: 1,042

Cobram: 6,018

55km additional from Shepparton, including a junction and about 10km of closed line beyond Strathmerton.

Them’s the facts, now my analysis.

The Strathmerton-Cobram section hasn’t seen a train for over 25 years and thus would likely have to be substantially reconstructed regardless of whether it has been dismantled or not. If the alignment has been obstructed at all - forget it.

The only way the bureaucrats would accept the junction at Strathmerton would be an upgrade to CTC or remote interlocking from Seymour. Like it or not this is a reality.

So unfortunately there are going to be some fairly substantial costs involved.

The last time a closed railway line in Victoria was reopened for passenger traffic was the Ararat-Ballarat section in 2004. This had only been closed for 10 years so already there are some being differences.

On the other hand, the total population of Ararat and Beaufort combined is similar to the towns presently under discussion. The Cobram line has the additional benefit of not being a complete passenger traffic orphan, except for the last 10 km. Further, if the job is done even remotely properly, the new section time should be
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Really only about the last 10 kilometres of the line which sees at least two trains per day regarding tocunwal. If one line was easy to reopen then it would be this one.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Is the station and track still in place?  
freightgate
As per google maps the station area has been redeveloped and my understanding was that what was left of the track from Strathmerton has only recently been lifted.

My personal opinion is to concentrate on getting the existing system right first before we start trying to spread the limited funding further.

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