Passenger rail back to Cobram. What do you think? [/url]
This compares with the 14,560 people along the Bairnsdale corridor, with a distance of 68km (from Sale).
I really disagree. Many people that I've spoken to about it won't travel on the bus to Shepparton because it's a bus.
So, they'll endure the 2h45m trip to Melbourne in a car than to go by bus connecting to rail.
Collectively, we on this forum believe that rail will solve everything. Rightly or wrongly, the powers to be will look at the whole picture & assess whether there is a public transport shortage.
If there is a shortage, the next step is to establish a strategy - which could be bus or rail. If the average Joe doesn't mind to an extent, as long as they get to where they want in the best possible time & the cheapest option is bus, that's probably what will happen.
The enthusiast side of me would love to see rail everywhere but realistically it's an expensive ask. I think Leongatha has gone down this path & can't see Cobram being any different.
Really for a 45min journey to either Benalla or Shepparton & subsequent transfer to a train, the discomfort factor of long coach trips is minimal.
This compares with the 14,560 people along the Bairnsdale corridor, with a distance of 68km (from Sale).
Forgetting that a large amount of Bairnsdale comes from towns beyond there which are fed by coaches and people driving there - Lakes Entrance, Orbost, etc, the former of which gets a lot of summer and weekend visitors. Essentially a railhead for East Gippsland.
There's not really any 'feeder population' for a Cobram service - apart from the Griffith bus which runs to Shepp at present.
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Toxation, bit hard to use the Bairnsdale line as a comparison seeing as it is RFR standard (partway). The standard of track pre RFR was much better than the current Cobram line. The $$ to upgrade the Bairnsdale line would not have been as much as it would cost to upgrade the Cobram line and this decision would all be about $$.
Collectively, we on this forum believe that rail will solve everything. Rightly or wrongly, the powers to be will look at the whole picture & assess whether there is a public transport shortage.
If there is a shortage, the next step is to establish a strategy - which could be bus or rail. If the average Joe doesn't mind to an extent, as long as they get to where they want in the best possible time & the cheapest option is bus, that's probably what will happen.
The enthusiast side of me would love to see rail everywhere but realistically it's an expensive ask. I think Leongatha has gone down this path & can't see Cobram being any different.
Really for a 45min journey to either Benalla or Shepparton & subsequent transfer to a train, the discomfort factor of long coach trips is minimal.
Reintroducing services to Cobram may be harder then you think...
For a start, I'm lead to believe, the current site of Cobram Stn, has since been wholely, or partly redeveloped, for the local shopping centre, this a new Cobram Stn, would need to be built, that is if the rail reservation is even still their from the towns outskirts to the town centre...
A stop at Numurkah at the former Numurkah Stn site, is no longer possible, as it is now a private residence, infact a funeral parlour now I believe.
http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/stations/
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No comment on the bus/park and ride questions I asked?
I really disagree. Many people that I've spoken to about it won't travel on the bus to Shepparton because it's a bus.
So, they'll endure the 2h45m trip to Melbourne in a car than to go by bus connecting to rail.
Would any improvements to the bus improve its attractiveness or is it a matter or irrational dislike for buses?
Regardless, the alternative is there to be used and they are welcome to ignore it should they choose to do so. One does wonder why they don't park and ride at Shepparton?
One question for you: Why Cobram?
Would it not make far more sense to simply upgrade the line through to Tocumwal (9km from Cobram)? The line is still at a far superior standard to the Cobram line and would take a lot less money to upgrade.
I really disagree. Many people that I've spoken to about it won't travel on the bus to Shepparton because it's a bus.
So, they'll endure the 2h45m trip to Melbourne in a car than to go by bus connecting to rail.
There are over 15,200 people along the trunk from Shepparton to Cobram, 70km of track, 15km of which is closed.
This compares with the 14,560 people along the Bairnsdale corridor, with a distance of 68km (from Sale).
There could be three station stops, Numurkah (town population of 4,600), Strathmerton, for safeworking with the Tocumwal line, and Cobram, 5,500.
A much better and cheaper line to return than Mildura, for population vs. kilometre (214 persons per kilometre Cobram vs. 98 persons per km Mildura).
It's immediately adjacent to Safeway.
I really disagree. Many people that I've spoken to about it won't travel on the bus to Shepparton because it's a bus.
So, they'll endure the 2h45m trip to Melbourne in a car than to go by bus connecting to rail.
They'll get over it.
There are over 15,200 people along the trunk from Shepparton to Cobram, 70km of track, 15km of which is closed.
Could I please have a break down of that population.
This compares with the 14,560 people along the Bairnsdale corridor, with a distance of 68km (from Sale).
Bairnsdale itself is at least 11,000 - as Somebody said, this is the railhead for East Gippsland, to popular destinations like Lakes EntranceThere could be three station stops, Numurkah (town population of 4,600), Strathmerton, for safeworking with the Tocumwal line, and Cobram, 5,500.
2006 Census has Numurkah at 3700
A much better and cheaper line to return than Mildura, for population vs. kilometre (214 persons per kilometre Cobram vs. 98 persons per km Mildura).
Interesting maths - that would give a Mildura line population of less than 45000.
Given the municipality population is over 50000, and you haven't bothered with any of the populations between Mildura and Ballarat, I suggest you try again.
It's immediately adjacent to Safeway.
Yay, Melbourne visiters can shop at Safeway Cobram eleventyone!
One question for you: Why Cobram?
Would it not make far more sense to simply upgrade the line through to Tocumwal (9km from Cobram)? The line is still at a far superior standard to the Cobram line and would take a lot less money to upgrade.
Well, for 15 years they haven't. Maybe petrol price will have an influence, maybe it won't.
You can see the full breakdown of that population if you visit my website. I've done the work once, not doing it again.
I then explained how Cobram can act in the same manner for the Riverina in the area adjacent to and north of Cobram and Tocumwal. Re: Numurkah; the CBD and substantial built up area around the town is complemented by the outlying population to achieve 4,600, again this is shown on my website.
Err, no. This is using census data for the major centres along the line between Ballarat and Mildura as quoted in the Mildura pax services thread. I will admit that these are based on the 2001 data however. I will in my own time compile a set based on 2006.
You fail to interpret that what I meant was a railway station in town is always going to be seen as more beneficial than one out of town.
I really disagree. Many people that I've spoken to about it won't travel on the bus to Shepparton because it's a bus.
So, they'll endure the 2h45m trip to Melbourne in a car than to go by bus connecting to rail.
They'll get over it.There are over 15,200 people along the trunk from Shepparton to Cobram, 70km of track, 15km of which is closed.
Could I please have a break down of that population.This compares with the 14,560 people along the Bairnsdale corridor, with a distance of 68km (from Sale).
Bairnsdale itself is at least 11,000 - as Somebody said, this is the railhead for East Gippsland, to popular destinations like Lakes EntranceThere could be three station stops, Numurkah (town population of 4,600), Strathmerton, for safeworking with the Tocumwal line, and Cobram, 5,500.
2006 Census has Numurkah at 3700A much better and cheaper line to return than Mildura, for population vs. kilometre (214 persons per kilometre Cobram vs. 98 persons per km Mildura).
Interesting maths - that would give a Mildura line population of less than 45000.
Given the municipality population is over 50000, and you haven't bothered with any of the populations between Mildura and Ballarat, I suggest you try again.
^Look hereWell, for 15 years they haven't. Maybe petrol price will have an influence, maybe it won't.
Seems more like an excuse for some to continue carrying around the old Melbourne v Rural chip on the shoulderYou can see the full breakdown of that population if you visit my website. I've done the work once, not doing it again.
Confirms exactly what I suspected - selective manipulation
You say no stops south of Numurkah - yet you include populations below here
You say nobody will drive to catch the train - yet you include areas out of PT range
And you do not make fair comparison, by comparing different sized catchment areasI then explained how Cobram can act in the same manner for the Riverina in the area adjacent to and north of Cobram and Tocumwal. Re: Numurkah; the CBD and substantial built up area around the town is complemented by the outlying population to achieve 4,600, again this is shown on my website.
NSW towns don't matter, unless there is a contribution from their state (or if sufficient benefit can be shown to our state to justify otherwise)
Err, no. This is using census data for the major centres along the line between Ballarat and Mildura as quoted in the Mildura pax services thread. I will admit that these are based on the 2001 data however. I will in my own time compile a set based on 2006.
So you're saying it's alright to count area populations for the Cobram line, but not Mildura
Ie. You are again manipulating statistics
You fail to interpret that what I meant was a railway station in town is always going to be seen as more beneficial than one out of town.
You fail to interpret that an empty block of land in the middle of a town centre is less beneficial than an active one
No wonder you council wants to knock this on the head
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