Question About Extending Routes

PhilChorusch · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:12 am

Hi Guy's,

I'm sorry to be an annoying person but I just wanted to ask the route builders/ creators is it possiable for someone to extend a route for persional use or not? The reason why I am asking it's because I would like to extend afew routes that I have and put it as a all in one route rather then having too many at once and to reduce the amount of size used on my computers HDD and also to help me get to know route editor so I can build my own route "AU_Regional_And_Intercity" I did start building my own route but I stuffed it up at Hornsby area and I didn't realised that MSTS creates a back up of the TRK file and that's not what I wanted I am hopping that I can get the route builders permission though here but if not I will then I won't extend the routes at all and you guy's have my word on that and this time I will stick to it not like the first time

Here are the routes I would like to fix and extend:
Coals To Newcastle
Northern Illawarra

PLANS: Of Extention
I am going to start with the Northern Illawarra and extend it to Bomaderry (Nowra) and extend it to Bondi Junction, East Hills, Bankstown, and complete the Enfields Yards.
Coads To Newcastle: I would like to extend it from Maitland to Scone, Hornsby to Town Hall, Town Hall to Central, Lidcombe to Bankstown, Lidcombe to Granville and Granville to Parramatta etc.

P.S. It would be nice if I could extend at least one of the 2 routes but it's not up to me to deside so I won't do anything unless I get a PM from both authors or just post your thoughts here...

Reguards PhilChorusch...

BrianB · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:44 am

Phil - in your dreams!!!!

As the author of Northern Illawarra, I will comment:

Firstly, the route was distributed with a very clear Readme file created both by myself as the author, and team-alco as the distributor. READ IT, especially section 7 - then make up your own decision as to whether it allows you to extend and alter the route - do you want to take the risk???

Commenting on your extension plans:

.......extend to Bomaderry......already done!!! - keep your eyes and ears open!!!

.....extend to Bondi Junction.......remember that the Northern Illawarra route is set as during the period 1950 to 1960, the Bondi Line was not opened until 1979 (I know, as I was on the first train!!!) - the combination of the two sections added together in totally different time periods is a ridiculous scenario - secondly, the Sydney CBD tiles are at MAXIMUM capacity, there is no way known that there would be enough left to build any part of that line.

....extend to East Hills, Bankstown..... this is entirely possible, but why stop there!!! why not just keep extending until the whole Metro area is covered???

.........Enfield Yard................ NOT possible - these tiles are at very close to maximum capacity - if it was possible to do the whole of Enfield Yards, don't you think that I would have already done that??? This is also the main reason that Peter only did the 'top' half of Enfield.

I will not try to comment or make a decision for Peter Newell, as to whether he will allow you to extend his route - but, as co-author, I can comment about your extension plans:

.........Maitland to Scone..........already done by another author

..........Hornsby to Town hall, Town Hall to Central........maybe Hornsby to about St. Leonards, but through North Sydney to Town Hall to Central - NOT possible for the same reason the Bondi Junction line is not possible

..........Lidcombe to Bankstown, Lidcombe to Granville and Granville to Parramatta - may be possible, the tiles would certainly allow it, BUT the track database is already getting rather large and with the V7 now extending from Gloucester to Taree, there may not be much left in the route as a whole before it starts to get unstable.

Remember, also, if you extend CTN, the next version would completely wipe out any extensions that you might have done - so your choice is:

Stay with the 'Phil' version and forgo any new 'real' extensions, or
Get the 'real' extensions and lose any 'Phil' changes

- your call; but I would get Peter's confirmation before doing anything.

Regards, Brian

Ben_Daui · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:41 pm

PhilChorusch · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:05 pm

ARG706 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:00 pm

PhilChorusch · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:35 am

KRviator · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:34 pm

I won't lock this thread as it can still serve a useful purpose should anyone else have questions about extending or otherwise modifying routes for their own personal amusement.

Not locking it wll save a duplicate thread to answer questions. So long as everyone keeps things civil this thread will remain open.

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PhilChorusch · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:37 am

MikeS · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:16 am

Hi Phil,

Ever since MSTS was released over 7 years ago, it has been generally agreed that you could modify anything you liked as long as it was for your own use and it was not further distributed.

Even if some people upload stuff with draconian copyright statements, there is no way they could do anything about it as they would have no way of knowing you had done it.

Of course if you were stupid enough to upload anything you had modified, or even posted pictures, then you would be in a worse position, but I still doubt if anyone would go to the position of taking you to court because if they lost they would be out of pocket.

Mike

PhilChorusch · Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:49 am

MD · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:16 pm

MSTS has some annoying bugs that have never been fixed.
One occurrs when making routes.
Most people who make routes do things in a particular order as this minimises the chances of MSTS crashing and leaving you with a corrupted route.
A risky practice is to modify a route that has track objects on it .
Track objects include things like signals, speed boards, level crossings etc.
Most people make routes by laying all the track first and then the roads , and
finally adding the track objects last.
This minimises the chances that MSTS will crash when you are saving your route.