So called "copyright" infringements?

schmocko · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:42 am

Hey All,

I just read over the thread up top about squeek and big_ed...

Whats with all this "you need permission from companies etc" before making models talk??

Have none of you used Auran's Trainz before?? Literally every railway company from all countries around the world hyave models featured on there, created by game users. anything that has been re-skinned either says with their permission or something like "reskin of john_doe's awesome blah blah class" and as far as I have ever seen, no one minds.

None of the Australian content created on there has been removed for
copyright reasons from my knowledge. Yet alone content created for LITERALLY every damn rail company in the world.

Its really sad to see the once great australian MSTS community now in tatters thanks to some immature gimme pigs and creators. THANKFULLY i lost interest in the sub-standard MSTS years ago and moved over to TRAINZ.

I think alot of people got gimme pigs confused with people who were excited to see a model they are a fan of being made.

Take steam4me for example.. they pulled alot of their content off the site, yet now the VR/V/ L Class is back up- according to another thread anyways.. SURELY this is a copyright infringement? well thats according to most of you anyways.

The V/ Y class at DVR- is that a copyright infringement too? What about SRHC painting locos in the old VR livery?? I'm sure most companies would be more than happy to have models made as somewhat of a PR/ marketing thing- and if its at no cost to them even better.

It just seems to me all these 'copyright' problems are just rumors. If someone reskinned your model you should be happy that someone liked it enough they wanted to add another livery that you, the creator didnt either want to do or didnt have time etc. its not to claim your model as their own.

PhilChorusch · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:29 am

superheatedsteam · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:53 am

Schmocko,

Use the search button at the top of the screen. Search the MSTS forums here for the word copyright and read all the posts relating to that subject. Then will you have a better understanding of the ‘copyright issue’ as it relates to MSTS in Australia.

Then read the copyright act, the designs act as well as any legislation relating to trademarks. Then post back and enlighten us with your findings.

If it still seems that all these ‘copyright problems’ are just rumours let me know. I suspect you have never actually created a 3D model for MSTS so I will make and texture one for you so that you may publicly release it. I will then contact the legal departments of all those who may have an interest, as well as the copyright police and you can be the first test case.

I would prefer it if you were over 18 and had a mortgage as well so that you are standing in the same shoes as others who have had to make some hard decisions on this matter.

I admire people who stand up for what they believe is right. Hell, you could even end up a MSTS hero.

Let me know how you wish to proceed?

schmocko · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:32 am

thanks for your reply PhilChorusch.

superheatedsteam i apologise if i touched a nerve, i guess i didnt read enough before posting. I only view msts as a game, and the fact that the game was designed to be 'open' to allow 3rd party content etc should mean you, the creators can make whatever you like without any potential for lawsuits etc. that should go back to the game creators not people who are prepared to take the time to work some magic.

I do understand where your coming from.

As for letting you know how i wish to proceed, i apologise for bringing up such a sensitive subject and think this thread should be locked before more people jump in to interfere.

I'm sorry everyone.

Alltrains · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:42 pm

I'm sorry to disappoint you superheatedsteam but smacko would not be the first case as there was a case early in MSTS where two so called friends were building a route and models and one accused the other of stealing his models so he proceeded with court action but they both lost out as in the court it was shown that they both copied and distributed licensed trademarks without the permission of the trademark owner. The judge came down heavy on both of them.

cpdbear · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:12 am

Alltrains could you show us the link to the case you quote or a case location/time/place etc. I would like to see what I can find about what a magistrate or judge may have actual said rather than what is being claimed by someone that may not have actually read the transcript. I have read a number of claims by you at various times that seem to be in conflict with the actual documented material I can find especially in the area of copyright vs designs.

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ButFli · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:03 pm

nickeax · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:23 pm

It's all a very unfunny joke. You need no permission to build anything unless you are selling it. Alltrains just has a small member.

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steam4me · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:14 am

I am SO sick of trolls repeatedly dragging up the copyright issue. These forums have been dragged to their knees by this useless debate. Each successive post just throws more dirt on the coffin.

This is a divisive and destructive topic with the gimme pigs on one side and those who've taken (legal) advice on the other side. The copyright issue has just about killed off the UKTS Aus/NZ forums following a cowardly and vicious attack by two of the UKTS moderating team a couple of months ago.

I note that Russell's forums have a ban on copyright discussions because of the trouble it always causes, and those forums I understand are flourishing. Maybe RP should institute a similar ban here, locking and deleting any posts on copyright: it's all been said over and over again. As superheatedsteam has suggested, read the relevant legislation, make your own model and distribute it.

Now can we SHUT THE "RAMSAY" UP ABOUT COPYRIGHT?.

Yuri.

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PhilChorusch · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:32 am

2001 · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:46 pm

Got your message, Phil.

Time to put the warring factions to bed.

2001

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