ADELAIDE - New tramlines to Entertainment Centre, West Lakes and Semaphore.

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Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

Yes Great pics diskiller, well done on "unearthing" 2001's mystery track to no-where.

See Myrtone, we DO have grass growing to the rail edge in Adelaide!  Laughing

 
Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington

Those pictures are great it is great to see what is going on.

 
diskiller Junior Train Controller

Location: 30 years in Adelaide

See Myrtone, we DO have grass growing to the rail edge in Adelaide!  Laughing

- Pressman

LOOOL! That we do!  Razz

 
nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: Rubber Tyred Vehicle track design office

See Myrtone, we DO have grass growing to the rail edge in Adelaide!  Laughing

- Pressman

LOOOL! That we do!  Razz

- diskiller



And it is not from genus plasticus.

 
Notch_one Station Master

Location: Cutting up

great pics.

i can't get out ...im i'll so its good to see.

notch_one

 
diskiller Junior Train Controller

Location: 30 years in Adelaide

There seems to be A LOT of activity going on.

They are now working further east on north terrace, and also further west.

Today the westbound lanes of port road were down to 1 lane just after the railway bridge.

I'm gonna try and get more photos this weekend.

 
409 Minister for Railways

Some more photos of the work. As diskiller pointed out, it does look as if work is really starting to ramp up now. North Terrace, North Terrace/West Terrace/Port Road intersection and Port Road bridge were all hives of activity today.

Earthworks on North Terrace with a tanker truck between duties.

And where the above photos were taken from just incase anyone thought they looked a little sus.

Grader at work on the northern side of North Terrace.

Partly completed earthworks on North Terrace as taken from North Terrace/West Terrace/Port Road intersection. This photo was taken from a pedestrian diversion path incase anyone was wondering.

More earth work in the middle of the intersection itself.

Traffic signage and work being undertaken near Port Road bridge.


Some more work being undertaken at Port Road/James Cogdon Drive intersection.

 
diskiller Junior Train Controller

Location: 30 years in Adelaide

Hmm, interesting to see what they're doing. Great pics btw Smile

 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

When I drove passed this arvo, it seemed like they had been cutting the bitumen and concrete on the E&WS side. Also looked like the fencing was being relocated where the small out building had been demolished.

 
Xgentric Chief Commissioner

Great pics, and a very informative thread – thanks to all.

Just a query - with regard to the dual voltage trams, I presume allowance is being made for the different wheel profiles of tramway and railway vehicles? (Finer flanges, etc.) There could be problems at turnouts for trams on railway tracks - might need very slow speeds at turnouts, at least.

And any theoretical imported trams may not be 600V. It’s a shame that Sydney’s Light Rail is 750V – makes it harder to run heritage trams (thought it has been done, with extra resistance banks added).

 
Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington

How do dual voltage trams fit at the stops?

 
Xgentric Chief Commissioner

That's a thought - Tram Stops and Train Stations don't mix!

 
Chris Brownbill Chief Commissioner

That's a thought - Tram Stops and Train Stations don't mix!

- Xgentric

Albert Park in Melbourne

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Albert-Park-railway-station.jpg/300px-Albert-Park-railway-station.jpg

 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

How do dual voltage trams fit at the stops?

- Tonsley213



Same as they'd fit any other tram stop

That's a thought - Tram Stops and Train Stations don't mix!

- Xgentric



No they don't!

There has been much discussion on this question in this and other threads over the past year. {Search be your friend!}

I do believe the discussion petered out after someone stated that Stoping Patterns for the Tram and the Trains sharing the Port rail line had not been decided upon or established.

It's Obvious that Trams can't use current Train platforms and vice versa.

If trams run express on the shared track ..... there is no problem is there?

If trains run express on the shared track .... demolish the current platforms to ground level ... hence no problem.

You can make suggestions until the cows come home ...... only time will reveal the outcome!

 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

That's a thought - Tram Stops and Train Stations don't mix!

- Xgentric

Albert Park in Melbourne

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Albert-Park-railway-station.jpg/300px-Albert-Park-railway-station.jpg/quote

Chris, remember Albert Park (Vic) was converted from heavy rail to light rail, One to the other, the Port line in Adelaide will have both running on it.

- Chris Brownbill
 
Xgentric Chief Commissioner

I admit I haven't searched this very far (I've smacked my wrist):

- Has there been any mention or discussion about the differing wheel profiles of trams and trains? Narrower wheels and finer flanges, etc?

Some preservation groups have had problems when running trams on train tracks, with derailments at turnouts, and attempts at speed running.

 
diskiller Junior Train Controller

Location: 30 years in Adelaide

Holy Cow, I just drove past on my way to work, and the road works out there are out of control at the moment. Its full steam ahead!

I'm at work now (here in thebarton) and stuck here till 6 unfortunately, by which time it is dark Sad But somebody needs to get out there and take some photos!

As a quick update of what I saw new:

  • North terrace, they are working further east now.
  • North terrace again, the northern side where they have been working and those pics have been taken in previous posts, is now street level. (almost bitumen time?)
  • Nothing new seemed to be happening in "the island"
  • Traffic was down to 2 lanes on the port railway bridge on both east and west bound traffic; the middle of the bridge has been fenced off and work has begun.
  • South lane of port road heading west approaching metro holden was blocked off, and work had begun digging up the intersection. No turning left at those lights.
  • And a lot more!
 
Chris Brownbill Chief Commissioner



Chris, remember Albert Park (Vic) was converted from heavy rail to light rail, One to the other, the Port line in Adelaide will have both running on it.

- Pressman

Yes that's right, but what they did with some stations is relevant to this discussion (Notably Albert Park, South Melbourne and Port Melbourne) where they retained the high level platform (not in use as a platform) and built a low level platform for the trams.

You can see it in the pic of Albert Park, but perhaps even better in this shot of Port Melbourne terminus.

and this one of South Melbourne

 
David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: Inspector 71

The wheel profiles etc could have a great bearing on whether they can do it, one reason the NRM knocked back the temporary offer of a H class tram was that the wheel profile would not run properly on normal standard gauge railway line, the wheels would not like the railway frogs on points and crossings. If you look at a tram frog you will find that they do use standard railway types but have an insert put into them to allow the wheels to run across the gap without dropping to far, actually they might even run on the flanges across these gaps, so that is going to be a large order to get working! 8)

 
409 Minister for Railways

Got a few photos of the bridge work on Port Road today. Because of the light rain today, I only got three photos of the bridge work to prevent damaging the camera (it stopped raining long enough for me to get the shots). Road works along North Terrace are still continuing with grading work now being undertaken.

Ground work being undertaken at the Adelaide end of Port Road bridge.

One side of both the Belair (left) and Noarlunga Centre (right) lines has been blocked off because of the bridge work with a pile of ballast and a stop board set up. All train services are running as normal otherwise (although it does help that the Belair line has been completely shut down for most of it's route because of a track rebuild).

 
diskiller Junior Train Controller

Location: 30 years in Adelaide

Got a few photos of the bridge work on Port Road today. Because of the light rain today, I only got three photos of the bridge work to prevent damaging the camera (it stopped raining long enough for me to get the shots). Road works along North Terrace are still continuing with grading work now being undertaken.

One side of both the Belair (left) and Noarlunga Centre (right) lines has been blocked off because of the bridge work with a pile of ballast and a stop board set up. All train services are running as normal otherwise (although it does help that the Belair line has been completely shut down for most of it's route because of a track rebuild).

- 409

You need an umbrella Smile

Nice pics.

 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me


- 409



I see the tree growing in the Goal Loop is getting taller!  Shocked

I did notice on sunday there were two mobile cranes on the bridge lifting something down below deck level in the middle.

Great photos Will Well Done

 
GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

The wheel profiles etc could have a great bearing on whether they can do it, one reason the NRM knocked back the temporary offer of a H class tram was that the wheel profile would not run properly on normal standard gauge railway line, the wheels would not like the railway frogs on points and crossings. If you look at a tram frog you will find that they do use standard railway types but have an insert put into them to allow the wheels to run across the gap without dropping to far, actually they might even run on the flanges across these gaps, so that is going to be a large order to get working! 8)

- David Peters

Well how is Transadelaide going to overcome this sort of problem?

On a side note I've love to see a H class traintram running on Adelaide's train and tram networks. Would a new set of wheels be required to make this possible?

 
SAR T186 Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the next train to Seaford S.A

Won't be possible to run a H Class on train tracks as it will be the wrong voltage. So unless you like your H fried and crispy? It ain't going to happen. Although Adelaide will be getting dual voltage trams that will be able to run on train tracks to Port Adelaide.

 
GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

Won't be possible to run a H Class on train tracks as it will be the wrong voltage. So unless you like your H fried and crispy? It ain't going to happen. Although Adelaide will be getting dual voltage trams that will be able to run on train tracks to Port Adelaide.

- SAR T186

What about placing a dual voltage transformer in a H class.

 

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