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bevans
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:26 am
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The State Opposition says one of central Victoria's most disadvantaged towns will buckle under the rising cost of petrol.
The Liberal MP for the Western Region, John Vogels, says some Maryborough residents have told him they cannot afford the cost of everyday travel in cars.
Mr Vogels says the Government must honour the commitment it made in 1999 to reopen the passenger rail line to Maryborough.
"Maryborough is socially struggling, it's probably got the highest unemployment rate in Victoria and youth unemployment's probably the highest in Victoria as well, and with the cost of petrol and fuel for people to get out and about, they deserve and should have public transport," he said.
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ZH836301
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:07 am
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What a load:
a/ If you can't afford petrol, why would you drive to Ballarat consistently
b/ There is already public transport in that direction via bus
c/ The Liberal MP should be the last person to complain
If he wants better PT, he should be calling for an upgrade of the bus; and if he wants the social problems improved, then they should be tackled head on, rather than wasting the money subsidising a rail service
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Chris Brownbill
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:07 pm
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| ZH836301 wrote: | What a load:
a/ If you can't afford petrol, why would you drive to Ballarat consistently |
To work, to shop, to medical care, to any number of things.
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b/ There is already public transport in that direction via bus
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Only just. Take a look at the pisspoor service
http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/newtimetables/mildura_via_donald.pdf
Its not even daily - pity if you want to travel on Wednesdays.
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c/ The Liberal MP should be the last person to complain
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Would you rather he not complain? We used to complain that these guys never complained. Stop complaining.
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If he wants better PT, he should be calling for an upgrade of the bus; and if he wants the social problems improved, then they should be tackled head on, rather than wasting the money subsidising a rail service |
Effective quality public transport is a key part of tacking social problems. Whilst Maryborough has no passenger rail service - regardless of the status of the bus service, it will always be consigned to disadvantage.
Bring on a train service - and good on Vogels for putting it on the agenda.l Its more than a pity that the representatives of the people of Wodonga and Leongatha dont share the same attitude, but their loss could be Maryborough's gain if the planets align.
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drwaddles
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:20 pm
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Why would providing a better bus service create such disadvantage in Maryborough?
Edit: Re-wording it so it made sense
People who talk out their asre usually have bad breath.
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Chris Brownbill
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:33 pm
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| drwaddles wrote: | Why would providing a better bus service create such disadvantage in Maryborough?
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It wouldn't create disadvantage. My point was that to get a solid running start on SOLVING disadvantage you need quality public transport. That means frequent fast rail services as close as realistically possible to the standard available to the good citizens of Castlemaine, Bendigo, Kyneton, Ballarat, Ballan etc - the other towns in the region.
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ZH836301
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:43 pm
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| Chris Brownbill wrote: | | To work, to shop, to medical care, to any number of things. |
If you live in Maryborough and work in Ballarat, then you really shouldn't complain about transport costs.
And what's wrong with the shopping in Maryborough itself?
| Chris Brownbill wrote: | | Effective quality public transport is a key part of tacking social problems. Whilst Maryborough has no passenger rail service - regardless of the status of the bus service, it will always be consigned to disadvantage. |
More tripe - what is wrong with a bus?
They supposedly can't afford to drive, but won't use a bus?
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Wilfy2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:43 pm
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| Chris Brownbill wrote: | | drwaddles wrote: | Why would providing a better bus service create such disadvantage in Maryborough?
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It wouldn't create disadvantage. My point was that to get a solid running start on SOLVING disadvantage you need quality public transport. That means frequent fast rail services as close as realistically possible to the standard available to the good citizens of Castlemaine, Bendigo, Kyneton, Ballarat, Ballan etc - the other towns in the region. |
Chris Brownbill,
Maryborough wants a better public Transport service.
Mildura wants a passenger service of some kind. Maybe it is time to include both towns in a service with revised Rail line in a more direct route between the two towns to connect up with either Bendigo of Ballarat if it is at all feasible.
Regards,
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ZH836301
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:49 pm
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How is this fantasy line supposed to operate, and how much air will it transport?
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Chris Brownbill
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:05 pm
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| ZH836301 wrote: | | How is this fantasy line supposed to operate, and how much air will it transport? |
Pretty simple really. Extension of 3 or 4 existing daily Melbourne to Ballarat Vlocity trains to Maryborough and return. This could be done NOW.
I dont know the exact cost, but there would be zero cost in purchasing new rolling stock - as the morning up and evening down services already go into or come out of depot at Ballarat, whilst the other services are off peak when surplus stock is sitting around unused. It actually gives better train utilisation.
The cost after whatever track upgrades are necessary would be the salary of drivers and conductors plus fuel and marginal extra train and track maintenance - nett of the reduced cost of the bus service (which is stuff all as it is hopeless).
Patronage? I dont know, but Maryborough is one of the major population centres that close to Melbourne without a rail service, so it has a solid case. Either you believe that people are deserving of a service or you dont. And if not, then to my mind that's a major cause of disadvantage - and there's little excuse for not remedying that when in Maryborough's case it is really easy to do something about it.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:09 pm
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| ZH836301 wrote: | | How is this fantasy line supposed to operate, and how much air will it transport? |
You don't like the idea of regional transport do you?.
Maryborough will start to die like so many other towns without suitable public transport. The line has been upgraded to Maryborough so far the station building has just undergone a $1.6mill restoration apparently in readiness for passenger services. I was also aware that a draft timetable had also been completed for these services.
Again we see the Victorian government neglect country Victoria.
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Wilfy2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:19 pm
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| Chris Brownbill wrote: | | ZH836301 wrote: | | How is this fantasy line supposed to operate, and how much air will it transport? |
Pretty simple really. Extension of 3 or 4 existing daily Melbourne to Ballarat Vlocity trains to Maryborough and return. This could be done NOW.
I dont know the exact cost, but there would be zero cost in purchasing new rolling stock - as the morning up and evening down services already go into or come out of depot at Ballarat, whilst the other services are off peak when surplus stock is sitting around unused. It actually gives better train utilisation.
The cost after whatever track upgrades are necessary would be the salary of drivers and conductors plus fuel and marginal extra train and track maintenance - nett of the reduced cost of the bus service (which is stuff all as it is hopeless).
Patronage? I dont know, but Maryborough is one of the major population centres that close to Melbourne without a rail service, so it has a solid case. Either you believe that people are deserving of a service or you dont. And if not, then to my mind that's a major cause of disadvantage - and there's little excuse for not remedying that when in Maryborough's case it is really easy to do something about it. |
Chris brownbill,
Population of Maryborough is 7,365, Clunes has 1,605 people and Creswick has 3,064 people.
Just going on the population alone it would be enough reason to extend 3 or 4 ballarat services, not a problem.
Regards,
Brian Leedham.
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drwaddles
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:34 pm
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| Chris Brownbill wrote: | | drwaddles wrote: | Why would providing a better bus service create such disadvantage in Maryborough?
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It wouldn't create disadvantage. My point was that to get a solid running start on SOLVING disadvantage you need quality public transport. That means frequent fast rail services as close as realistically possible to the standard available to the good citizens of Castlemaine, Bendigo, Kyneton, Ballarat, Ballan etc - the other towns in the region. |
Quality public transport can also exist via a quicker bus.
The bus trip is not too long to sit on a bus for - us urban dwellers do it for longer.
I expect Wilfy and some others in this thread to post dribble, but I expected better from you Chris.
People who talk out their asre usually have bad breath.
Last edited by drwaddles on Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:45 pm; edited 1 time in total
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ZH836301
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:41 pm
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| 639 wrote: | | You don't like the idea of regional transport do you? |
I was referring to Wilfy's suggestion.
| Chris Brownbill wrote: | | Patronage? I dont know, but Maryborough is one of the major population centres that close to Melbourne without a rail service, so it has a solid case. Either you believe that people are deserving of a service or you dont. And if not, then to my mind that's a major cause of disadvantage - and there's little excuse for not remedying that when in Maryborough's case it is really easy to do something about it. |
No, they are not deserving of a rail service - upgrade the buses.
I still haven't heard any arguments as to why coaches are so bad.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:00 pm
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What a sensible idea, cant wait.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:04 pm
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| drwaddles wrote: | | Chris Brownbill wrote: | | drwaddles wrote: | Why would providing a better bus service create such disadvantage in Maryborough?
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It wouldn't create disadvantage. My point was that to get a solid running start on SOLVING disadvantage you need quality public transport. That means frequent fast rail services as close as realistically possible to the standard available to the good citizens of Castlemaine, Bendigo, Kyneton, Ballarat, Ballan etc - the other towns in the region. |
Quality public transport can also exist via a quicker bus.
The bus trip is not too long to sit on a bus for - us urban dwellers do it for longer.
I expect Wilfy and some others in this thread to post dribble, but I expected better from you Chris. |
Drwaddles,
I may be a Dribbler according to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps you should direct your personal attack on me in a PM rather than on the forum.
But I can see the point that Chris is trying to make in that if Castlemaine, Bendigo,Kyneton,Ballarat and Ballan can have an excellet service then why should Maryborough miss out.
As Chris pointed out also the cost to extend the service would be minimal.
Only has to be services going one way if it came to the crunch.
Regards,
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