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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:14 pm
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Noticed on Ch 7 and Ch 10 news that ARTC will be introducing a new experimental signalling system between Adelaide and Port Augusta (most likely between Coonamia and Spencer Junction) which will be trialled before it is potentially introduced nation wide, or thrown in the dumpster as a failure. This system is based on GPS and is from the US who use GPS for everything.
Anyone know any more detailed info about this other then from media reports? As a final note, Ch 7 included some footage dating back c.1992 at Yorkey's Crossing with a DL/AL/CL/AL combo.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23874281-2682,00.html
| AdelaideNow wrote: | A PROTOTYPE of a $90 million train management system will be tested on a 120km section of the national rail network between Adelaide and Port Augusta.The system will manage train movements through a sophisticated computer program and global positioning, to increase national rail capacity.
Australian Rail Track Corporation and Lockheed Martin will trial the system. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:50 pm
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Also, found on the Lockheed-Martin website:
| Lockheed-Martin wrote: | Lockheed Martin is also working with the Australian Rail Track Corporation to implement a nation-wide Train Management System. This system is based on Lockheed Martin’s Train Management System being deployed in the United States. The Train Management System provides substantial improvements in rail management efficiencies and in overall rail network safety.
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Source: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/asia_pacific/australia/
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TE2815
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:04 pm
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Thats why it is not in yet. The deal was done with Telstra that towers could be erected on the rail corridor at minimal or no cost to Telstra to improve coverage with a reciprocal arrangement being that ARTC could use the CDMA network for radio and signalling transmissions at minimal or no cost. Another money exchange on paper that never changes hands.
Telstra then wiped the plan as system was designed for CDMA and had to be re-developed, allegedly, to be operable under NextG.
BTW, I do not recall seeing any Telstra towers along the rail corridor yet, at least not down here.
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cootanee
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:13 am
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| TE2815 wrote: | Thats why it is not in yet. The deal was done with Telstra that towers could be erected on the rail corridor at minimal or no cost to Telstra to improve coverage with a reciprocal arrangement being that ARTC could use the CDMA network for radio and signalling transmissions at minimal or no cost. Another money exchange on paper that never changes hands.
Telstra then wiped the plan as system was designed for CDMA and had to be re-developed, allegedly, to be operable under NextG.
BTW, I do not recall seeing any Telstra towers along the rail corridor yet, at least not down here. |
It is NextG...
"Seventy-seven new Next G™ regional base stations will be built as part of an $85 million communications deal signed today between the Australian Rail Track Corporation (ARTC) and Telstra.
The agreement will see Telstra’s leading Next G™ network used to replace nine separate communications systems across 10,000km of rail tracks. "
http://www.artc.com.au/library/news_030407.pdf
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:41 am
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| TE2815 wrote: | | BTW, I do not recall seeing any Telstra towers along the rail corridor yet, at least not down here. |
There was a Telstra video shown at the launch that had footage of the new towers being constructed - one was clearly on the Ulan line close to one of the tunnels.
A Telstra representative said that about 60% of the work relating to the new towers was complete - however I have to fess up and say I have not seen any of the new towers either.
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EnglishElectric
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:57 am
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| bingley hall wrote: | | TE2815 wrote: | | BTW, I do not recall seeing any Telstra towers along the rail corridor yet, at least not down here. |
There was a Telstra video shown at the launch that had footage of the new towers being constructed - one was clearly on the Ulan line close to one of the tunnels.
A Telstra representative said that about 60% of the work relating to the new towers was complete - however I have to fess up and say I have not seen any of the new towers either.
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Perhaps only a small proportion of the job is to actually erect the towers, but they've finally (or nearly) finished pen-pushing?
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:39 pm
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| cootanee wrote: | | TE2815 wrote: | Thats why it is not in yet. The deal was done with Telstra that towers could be erected on the rail corridor at minimal or no cost to Telstra to improve coverage with a reciprocal arrangement being that ARTC could use the CDMA network for radio and signalling transmissions at minimal or no cost. Another money exchange on paper that never changes hands.
Telstra then wiped the plan as system was designed for CDMA and had to be re-developed, allegedly, to be operable under NextG.
BTW, I do not recall seeing any Telstra towers along the rail corridor yet, at least not down here. |
It is NextG... |
Thats what I said. The original plan back in 2004 was for the system to utilise the CDMA network. Only when Telstra later decided to shutdown CDMA did they then have to re-visit the plan.
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cootanee
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:02 pm
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Will the new experimental signalling replace the existingCTC?
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:48 pm
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The new signalling is supposed to replace everything. All signalling including current RVD territory signalling runs via the phone network not track circuiting. Based upond GPS positioning via phone network of train locations whether signals in the rear are in a proceed aspect or not.
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cootanee
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:52 pm
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| awsgc24 wrote: | | Will the new experimental signalling replace the exisint CTC? |
A bit to go yet as this is just the Proof of Concept phase. However the ARTC release does say…
“The ATMS will enable the removal of physical ‘on track’ constraints on improving the capacity on the interstate rail network”
http://www.artc.com.au/library/news_2008-06-16.pdf
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:03 am
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| Bing wrote: | | There was a Telstra video shown at the launch that had footage of the new towers being constructed - one was clearly on the Ulan line close to one of the tunnels. |
Now why in the effin hell would they spend megabucks putting CTC through to Ulan then remove it all in a couple of years for this ATMS setup? Complete waste of money if you ask me.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:08 pm
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| KRviator wrote: | | Now why in the effin hell would they spend megabucks putting CTC through to Ulan then remove it all in a couple of years for this ATMS setup? Complete waste of money if you ask me. |
ARTC has a contract with Telstra to provide a new communications system that will be rolled out over the next couple of years using the Next G network and which requires the construction of around 70+ new towers coast to coast.
ARTC has a contract with Lockheed for the ATMS Proof of Concept trials in SA only that will not be complete for another 3 years. After that ATMS will be progressively rolle doubt across the interstate and other networks, but my guess is it could be anything between 5-10 years before it reaches the Ulan line - and even then I am sure the NSW Safety Regulator will put every obstacle in its way so it will probably be closer to 15 years.
With the projected increase in coal traffic on the Ulan line over the next year or so, there were no doubt sufficient productivity gains to be had from the Ulan CTC investment that justified a relatively short life for the enhancement.
While ATMS will require the ARTC/Telstra Next G comms system to be in place for it to work properly, the comms upgrade is a stand alone project that is going ahead regardless of ATMS.
Of course of you'd like the old staff system brought back in...?
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