Tramexpert : the most complete database of recent tram and..

Tramexpert · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:14 am

Tramexpert 2.0 is a database prepared by a team of experts compiling the characteristics of all trams and light rail systems ordered since 1990. Its ambition is to consolidate all data on current world vehicles that can travel on rail, road or dedicated reserved lanes and is the most complete source of data available on the market. This database contains 14 800 vehicles from 300 cities worldwide and is the result of 1 500 hours of work. Tramexpert 2.0 is available in four languages and contains over 40 photos and 17 networks of new trams. You can see website : www.tramexpert.com

The database is geared for professionals and representatives of the world’s major cities. Tramexpert was developed by Option Transport Durable, an NGO based in Montreal, Canada, with the support of the Metropolitan Transportation Agency (AMT) Montreal, Canada.

You can download a demo at our webpage, This sample will give you a idea of the best database on modern trams and light rail systems in the world.

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peterjameswalsh · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:13 pm

Do they have permission to advertise? Looks a bit dodgy to me. 1200 bucks for a CD-ROM on where a tram runs? Meh.

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leighkay · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:52 pm

ahah..and its just a giant excel spreadsheet Shocked

tonyp · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:17 pm

14,000 trams post 1990? What about the great bulk of the 14,000 pre 1990 Tatra T3s (not to mention many other trams) still in service, particularly in central and eastern Europe where trams remained strong while the west was farting around with cars and buses?

Sounds like less than half a database that would certainly not give a representative picture of the world's tramways - particularly the cities with very large fleets that have fewer new trams because the tough Tatras just keep on going. In fact looking at the database sample it looks like a deliberate self-serving celebration of the new kid on the block manufacturers (Siemens, Bombardier etc) that have sprung up with the post 1970s light rail revival in the west. They should be paying us to take the CD.

Is there something like the "Janes" series on the world's trams/systems? That would be more useful.

Tramexpert · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:21 pm

tonyp
Sorry is this databse is not interesting for you.

For Montreal Canada, or other city without tram and light rail, this ''spreadsheet'' is important. This database with 40 active manufacturers, 184 different models, 306 urban areas, 39 types of information, 649 entries, 22 995 data, 17 original map tram and light rail networks and photographs of about 40 different vehicles inspire transportation planning organisations and decision makers to better understand these light rail and dedicated reserved lane modes which are rolling throughout the world.

See the Preview http://www.tramexpert.com/pages/e-apercu.htm.

You want billion $ for Highway or new light rail networks?

peterjameswalsh advertise? No is just information for your member.
Yes, 1200 bucks is expensive see also Educational and NGO Pricing.
Educational: $895 CDN / USD : 575 EUR
Non-governmental organization (NGO): $495 CDN / USD : 325 EUR

tonyp · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:39 am

^^
OK so its just a post 1990 database - fair enough, so long as anybody doesn't take it for a definitive roundup of the world's tramways and operating trams.

As the previews don't tell us much perhaps you can list the 40 manufacturers here to give us an idea of the breadth of coverage. Didn't mean to sound so harsh sorry, just your opening comments (although you said post 1990) suggested promise of much more than what it is.

Will it help cut through the manufacturers' BS and give an incisive breakdown of such critical factors as accessibility and bogie and ride characteristics? There is also plenty of information on reliabilty accumulated in the last 20 years.

A good Janes volume on trams would still be just the ticket though. Smile

mjja · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:19 pm

I was thinking of getting hold of it for my research, but the price is way out of my range.

You should probably sit down and think about the service you're providing here - compare it to what's available and what value people will get out of it. For instance, there are a lot of rail and tram enthusiasts who will be able to rattle off 80% of the most important facts on your CD in a few seconds, and know where to go to look up the rest. I could name several names.

If this CD cost $100 you'd get people buying it just to have all the information in one place. But the price you advertise is over the top.

Hey, you say it came from 1500 hours of work. That means if you sell 50 copies you're paying yourself government consultant fees! Be a bit less ambitious, or you'll end up like Icarus. Wink

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tonyp · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:25 am

Myrtone · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:40 pm

Is there any information about cab controls, such as safety devices for drivers?

G516 · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:55 pm

Money doesn't grow on trees you know. Quiet a bit of a steep price.

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Gwiwer · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:11 pm

Whilst I don't claim to have quite the Global coverage of the product advertised I equally don't feel that I need it.

I already have plenty of data about the trams fleets in several major cities and in some cases going back not just pre-1990 but pre-1890.

My own personal databases and magazine collections hold almost as much as I feel I need to have recorded and certainly as much information as I have time to digest. There is little point having googols of detail if one has no time to use the information in an appropriate and timely way.

And I don't think I put in 1500 hours of work to record the data I hold. Nothing even approaching it.

The product seems to be well intentioned but the asking price is a complete farce and is inflated by a factor of 10. Let me know how many copies you actually sell!

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Tramexpert · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:34 pm

Tramexpert is is geared for professionals and representatives of the world’s major cities. Yes, the database is expensive for tramway lover. Sorry.

In Quebec (Canada and most city in Nort America) is most important invest millions $ for build highway in city, transit is less important. For governement, the futur is city higway. For my ONG, the futur is new tram and light rail. My database compiling all trams and light rail since 1990 for demonstration the revolution with new tram and next light rail = 14800 vehicles from 300 cities worldwide. For me, the tramway is the future, not the past. And 1990 is important year for Kyoto Protocole.

<Let me know how many copies you actually sell!> Only 3.

Sorry for my english aproximatif. My fist language si french.

Tramexpert · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:47 pm

Also, see Amterdam Combino picture and Paris map LRT on preview page.
http://www.tramexpert.com/images-tramexpert/Amsterdam-Combino-Siemens.jpg

Paris map LRT :
http://www.tramexpert.com/images-tramexpert/tramway-paris-reseau.jpg

Tramexpert · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:17 pm

Tramexpert Amterdam Combino picture :

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Paris map LRT :

route14 · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:57 pm

Looks like their light rail routes are not interconnected. Not an efficient way of working the system.

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