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Tangarbage
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:55 pm
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2001
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:29 pm
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| Tangarbage wrote: | | Is there any reason why we cannot edit/delete our own posts in locked threads |
Because a lock  means just that ... nobody, bar staff, can tamper with anything within.
| Quote: | | or delete the post we make when we start a new thread?? |
You cannot delete an opening post in any thread. Call upon a Mod if you want a thread you have begun to be deleted, provided you have a very good reason.
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Tangarbage
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:17 pm
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But for an opening post we should be able to delete it. Just because its an opening post should make no difference.
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TheLoadedDog
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:24 pm
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I can't speak for the mods here, but I suspect they'll agree with what I'm about to say:
On any board I've modded (and in fact on nearly all boards I've been a member of), editing and deleting anything to change the meaning of it or to backpedal in case of conflict is frowned upon. You edit to fix typos and stuff, but that's about all.
If a thread is locked, that means there's usually been some sort of conflict or other nasty business. If you have taken part in that, you should have the guts to leave your words there as evidence, especially if somebody comes along and proves you are in the wrong or otherwise hands your asre to you.
I'd sooner see the edit and delete function completely disabled than to allow this.
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Tangarbage
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:38 pm
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However, as I have just displayed it is possible to remove all your text from an opening post thereby essentially removing your post.
So if we can do that then why cant we just remove the post altogether??
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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:20 pm
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| Tangarbage wrote: | However, as I have just displayed it is possible to remove all your text from an opening post thereby essentially removing your post.
So if we can do that then why cant we just remove the post altogether?? |
There's an important difference. As things stand now, we can see who the snivelling invertebrate who started a thread and then bottled out is. If the first post was just gone, we wouldn't know who to blame.
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Johnmc
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:33 pm
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| Tangarbage wrote: | However, as I have just displayed it is possible to remove all your text from an opening post thereby essentially removing your post.
So if we can do that then why cant we just remove the post altogether?? |
Quoted for truth.
2001 has already covered why a locked thread cannot be edited..
The first post of a thread is a rather important one, as the rest of the thread hangs off it. This is the post where you can change the thread name, determine whether the thread is normal or a "sticky", or insert polls etc. Deleting the first post would be the same as deleting the thread, and that is reserved for mods and admin.
As for editing, is there really any need, except for typos? And once a post has been replied to. editing your post starts to look rather dodgy.
Netizens do have a few ways around this. On a few forums i go to, you will occasionally see a quotation followed by "Quoted for Truth". (See above example.) This is a self-regulating way of keeping everyone honest, in that you can't edit someone else's quoting of your post.
(Note for here: Use a bit of common sense. Quoting an entire 320line post and then putting "quoted for truth" at the bottom will still earn you a free Doc Martin enema from admin.  )
Some forums have coding set up where you can only edit your post - for immediate typos, etc - for a few hours after you make it. After that, it's there there forever... hmm.... (runs off to Railpage suggestion box).
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TheLoadedDog
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michaelgreenhill
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:24 am
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Actually, regular users can only delete their own post if it's the last post in that thread, and it was posted in their current session. IE, TLD™ now cannot delete his post above because I've replied to the thread; ditto if he logged out of Railpage Australia™ and came back to it later.
IIRC this behaviour is exactly the same for threadstarters; if you create a new thread and delete your post before anybody is able to respond (or your session times out / you log out), the thread vanishes.
If you need a post deleted, you can report it and one of the staff will delete it. Bearing in mind however that no posts on the forums ever get deleted - they go into a safe hiding place that only staff can get to.
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Graham4405
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:05 pm
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| TheLoadedDog™™ wrote: | | it's FIVE MINUTES. Plenty of time to fix typos. |
Hello... This is Railpage Australia™! It takes longer than that to get back to your post to edit it... 
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David Peters
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:39 pm
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Have to agree with Graham4405 there it needs a lot longer on here than 5 minutes, sometimes takes me that long to get to the next thread, let alone edit a thread! I am on broadband, so god help anyone who has dialup! 
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TheLoadedDog
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:15 pm
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The Straight Dope has a famously awful server. Yes, it REALLY is worse than the late Fang. But they get by (usually, when the page "hangs", the reply has actually gone through).
David, the problems with the board will remain the same regardless of your internet connection speed. It's at RP's end, not yours.
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David Peters
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:23 pm
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That is probably true TLD™ but it sometimes takes me between 2 and 8 minutes at busy times to simply open a thread, let alone edit it or something, sometimes you do not even get that, you just get the cop out page and it tells you to try again in 10 minutes, so that is even worse! A couple of hours would be better here! Just so it covers your asre as you put it!
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73LJWhiteSL
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:15 pm
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I don't see the need to delete posts, however editing to correct mistakes is fair.
On two other forums i am a member, one of them doesn't even allow editing or deleteing, so you have to check your spelling, cause one you hit submit it is cemented forever, unless a mod changes it.
On the other forum we have 15 minutes i think to edit it. The mods have told us it is 5, but i have changed it 8 or 9 minutes afterwards.
We had a problem with people changing their posts which changed the meaning of the discussion so the edit time was reduced.
I have found Railpage Australia™ fairly easy to come back later and edit, but I've never had to do it cause i change my mistakes straight away. If i notice them later tuff luck.
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Bwana
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:04 pm
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I've only once had cause to wish to edit something I wrote in a later-locked thread. In that case I hade referred to a post that had subsequently been deleted (with good cause), but the result was that my post gave a completely different impression to what was meant - from memory it looked as though I was laying into the last post (second last when i had written it), which I actually agreed with, my intent was to lay into the troll that posted between the last REMAINING post and mine.
The same thing can also give the impression that somebody has gone completely off topic to flame someone, when an off-topic post beforehand, which had caused the outburst remaining, had been deleted.
It occurred to me at the time to pm a mod and ask them to edit my post to either delete it or explain it referred to a deleted post, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort - next day the thread will be at the bottom of the list and nobody will ever bother reading it again.
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