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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:06 pm
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I'm curious to know if we'll see an order placed for ~3000hp 'regular duty' electrics in the next couple of years (as opposed to the behemoth 3800's). Something on level playing terms to 2x 2300's, or a PN. Mulling over the return of 3900's is fair enough (and may be an apt short-term solution if diesel continues to rise), but they've been in service for 20 years themselves...!
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raymond
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:42 pm
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There could be a follow on order after the 3800s are complete,maybe a Euro sprinter for freight ?
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petey3801
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:19 pm
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MTEC and ATC I not sure about.
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MTCE - Maintenance
ATC - Automatic Train Control
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rwj_95
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petey3801
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:18 pm
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I would honestly be very surprised if they tore down the wires Gympie - Gladstone, it would show quite a lot of short-sightedness on QR/QT/QLD Gov.'s part. Also, they would be limiting their flagship train to the Brisbane - Gympie North run, would not be very good PR at all!
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:01 am
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| raymond wrote: | There could be a follow on order after the 3800s are complete,maybe a Euro sprinter for freight ?
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Mmm, me thinks of a 600m odd long semi permanent coupled container trains with a spark loco at each end running a 2 x B0B0 AC traction configuration with same power as the 3800 traction engines. Which is about 50% more power than the current single 3900 so an extra loco would never be needed using electric over air brakes for better stopping. Trailing loco only kicks and only as much as required automatically when the lead loco runs out of grunt.
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NathanCastle
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:59 pm
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Do QR keep the overhead wires enegized all the time between Nambour and Gladstone ? Or do they turn off sections that are not used by electric trains ?
(their Is only one citytrain from Gympie North to Brisbane and back and only one train from Brisbane to Cooroy and back a day)
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DABEAR
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:44 pm
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| NathanCastle wrote: | Do QR keep the overhead wires enegized all the time between Nambour and Gladstone ? Or do they turn off sections that are not used by electric trains ?
(their Is only one citytrain from Gympie North to Brisbane and back and only one train from Brisbane to Cooroy and back a day) |
It is left energised 24/7, except for maintenance works.
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:54 pm
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| DABEAR wrote: | | NathanCastle wrote: | Do QR keep the overhead wires enegized all the time between Nambour and Gladstone ? Or do they turn off sections that are not used by electric trains ?
(their Is only one citytrain from Gympie North to Brisbane and back and only one train from Brisbane to Cooroy and back a day) |
They are left energised 24/7, expect for maintenance works. |
I believe part of the reason its left powered is if it falls down or contacts earth it would blow the circuit breaker and train control would know there is a problem. Likewise its been mentioned the overhead to Emerald is left powered, although only with 240VAC for the same reason.
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petey3801
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:36 am
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Do QR keep the overhead wires enegized all the time between Nambour and Gladstone ? Or do they turn off sections that are not used by electric trains ?
(their Is only one citytrain from Gympie North to Brisbane and back and only one train from Brisbane to Cooroy and back a day)
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Don't forget the Tilt Train, most days there are 2 Up services (1xRocky-Bris, 1xBundy-Bris) and 2 Down services (1xBris-Rocky, 1xBris - Bundy).
There are no sections of the North Coast Line between Gympie North and Gladstone that are not used by Electric trains (even if it is only lightly used).
EDi Rail also do a lot of testing of trains (incl. Electric) on the North Coast Line, and new EMUs from EDi Rail travel to Brisbane under their own power.
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:12 pm
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| petey3801 wrote: | | Quote: |
Do QR keep the overhead wires enegized all the time between Nambour and Gladstone ? Or do they turn off sections that are not used by electric trains ?
(their Is only one citytrain from Gympie North to Brisbane and back and only one train from Brisbane to Cooroy and back a day)
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Don't forget the Tilt Train, most days there are 2 Up services (1xRocky-Bris, 1xBundy-Bris) and 2 Down services (1xBris-Rocky, 1xBris - Bundy).
There are no sections of the North Coast Line between Gympie North and Gladstone that are not used by Electric trains (even if it is only lightly used).
EDi Rail also do a lot of testing of trains (incl. Electric) on the North Coast Line, and new EMUs from EDi Rail travel to Brisbane under their own power. |
Even the Parana - Call O/H section of the South Gladstone Y junction is usually used once a week by the empty run RTT Rocky - Bundy.
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ar31
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:36 pm
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| colinw_mk2 wrote: | | Under that scenario, would the RTT provide a more frequent Brisbane - Gympie service?. |
Whilst a good replacement for the very unreliable ICEs, it would not be good PR for a train built for fast running should it be restricted to Gympie North runs.
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:15 am
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| ar31 wrote: | | colinw_mk2 wrote: | | Under that scenario, would the RTT provide a more frequent Brisbane - Gympie service?. |
Whilst a good replacement for the very unreliable ICEs, it would not be good PR for a train built for fast running should it be restricted to Gympie North runs. |
And this is the point most forget. QR currently has 20 ICE cars of which only about half if that are in service and they really have little else they can do with them due to thier design. Single door access is too slow a loading time for any line on the rest of the network, especially the GC which is where the big suggestions say they will go to. These low density traffic trains are only suited to GN/Corroy and maybe Nambour services.
If by chance the wires were extended past Rosewood to at least Grandchestor which I think is the first tunnel and this prevents further extension without daylighting the tunnel or major mods or new route, then maybe you would have a service for the ICE provided it was limited express between City and Ipswich.
So back to RTT, say QR/QT/QG wanted to can the O/H in question, then what are they going to do with the RTT? Nothing, Qld does not have an alternative service available anywhere in its current form that is suitable for the RTT which is again a low density long distance train, nothing less. Forget GN, they already have the grossly underutlised ICE for that, forget the GC run, the RTT doors are too slow loading. The RTT sets are also a 6 car set, which would probably prevent it having flexibility and MTCE availability suitable for commuter service. The only benefit the RTT has over the ICE is the Disability access issues, which only exist at the drivers end on the RTT. In the RTT current format it cannot even run on the GC run now as the seats all face one way, but I'm sure its fixable. GN can turn the train.
Option B, run to Bundy only as this is more the practical limit in time and loadings for the RTT in competition with air, This option would also save about 200km of O/H MTCE. Potentially a 3-4 services a day instead of the current 2 weekdays and 1 weekends. If the demand was there (and I'm sure it is), why not build a 3rd set now? Why not rebuild an ICE into TT standards now?
If they wanted to close the O/H to Gladstone, I think the RTT would more than likely be converted to CTT cars and potentially build a 3rd set. Either that or sell it for which there is probably a limited market. Might be cheaper to just diesel it. For this you now need at least 1 x $2m diesel, maybe 2 for a spare to pull it. I'm surprised the ICE cars havn't been dieseled for use on long haul runs.
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ar31
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:38 am
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| RTT_Rules wrote: | | ar31 wrote: | | colinw_mk2 wrote: | | Under that scenario, would the RTT provide a more frequent Brisbane - Gympie service?. |
Whilst a good replacement for the very unreliable ICEs, it would not be good PR for a train built for fast running should it be restricted to Gympie North runs. |
And this is the point most forget. QR currently has 20 ICE cars of which only about half if that are in service and they really have little else they can do with them due to thier design. Single door access is too slow a loading time for any line on the rest of the network, especially the GC which is where the big suggestions say they will go to. These low density traffic trains are only suited to GN/Corroy and maybe Nambour services. |
The weekend Caboolture-Nambour shuttle (or even Ipswich-Rosewood) shuttle services would work, but still the train would be grossly underutilised.
Brisbane-Nambour will not work due to capacity issues. #X956 and #XL13, (which are peak services operated by ICEs) suffer from overcrowding issues up to Beerwah/Landsborough due to the lack of ICE seating capacity.
More often than not, #XL13 and #X956 have been more often operated by 6-car EMU/SMUs of late.
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