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TheRev
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:39 pm
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I think Steve Gibson was a well respected member of 707 Operations, and also a driver (need confirmation on the last bit). He died a few years back and T413 was re-named in honour of him.
What I would like to know is what the go with the silver stripes on the pilot is. Certainly doesn't look good on a heritage locomotive (neither does the silver reflective strip along the valance and the yellow handrails) - To be honest it looks f*cking awful! I wonder what would make them do such a thing to such a unique and historic locomotive?
A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.
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LowndesJ515
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:07 pm
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| TheRev wrote: | I think Steve Gibson was a well respected member of 707 Operations, and also a driver (need confirmation on the last bit). He died a few years back and T413 was re-named in honour of him.
What I would like to know is what the go with the silver stripes on the pilot is. Certainly doesn't look good on a heritage locomotive (neither does the silver reflective strip along the valance and the yellow handrails) - To be honest it looks f*cking awful! I wonder what would make them do such a thing to such a unique and historic locomotive? |
Someone told me more visable at Level Crossings.
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VBAndy
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:59 am
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| T251 wrote: | | What livery was T413 in while at Fyansford? |
Basically the VR blue and gold it wears today, with a different logo in the wings.
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VBAndy
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:11 am
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| LowndesJ515 wrote: |
| TheRev wrote: | | What I would like to know is what the go with the silver stripes on the pilot is? |
Someone told me more visible at Level Crossings. |
If 413 was a commercial locomotive, that would make sense to me. But last time I checked 413 is a heritage loco, so why modify it any further than required for union standards? All that does in my opinion is set standards that don't need to be set.
First its painting the pilot for better visibility, what next? Air con on the roof, ditch lights & a ufo looking radio antenna? This T is quite unique as TheRev said, seems a bit disturbing that even locos with a level of rarity in preservation get fiddled with.
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TheRev
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:41 pm
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| LowndesJ515 wrote: | | TheRev wrote: | I think Steve Gibson was a well respected member of 707 Operations, and also a driver (need confirmation on the last bit). He died a few years back and T413 was re-named in honour of him.
What I would like to know is what the go with the silver stripes on the pilot is. Certainly doesn't look good on a heritage locomotive (neither does the silver reflective strip along the valance and the yellow handrails) - To be honest it looks f*cking awful! I wonder what would make them do such a thing to such a unique and historic locomotive? |
Someone told me more visable at Level Crossings. |
Hmmm...That seems a tad weird, as you'd have to be driving up the tracks to see 'em! Usually you only see the headlight blaring at you at night - you'd be lucky to see anything else at night.
In daylight it's plain common sense: stop look and listen. You also have the advantage of being able to see things better, strangely enough! I hope that 707 Ops. or whoever insisted on painting them on removes them in due course.
A real pity.
A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.
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VRfan
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:50 pm
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If you want to make it more visible at level crossings, why not simply use a reflectorised decal for the VR logo and wings?
IMHO there's something to be said for the NSWRTM's approach of not hiring out their locos and only using them for actual heritage train duties. While I understand that the groups need to bring in money, when you look at a NSWRTM loco, it doesn't have the long hood handrails, unecessary stripes, yellow handrails, etc... The only visible change is some very small reflectorised panels along the bottom of each loco.
It also means that the heritage locos are not being used in every day service, which increases wear and tear on the equipment, plus there is an increased risk of accidents if it's out there every day playing chicken with level crossing traffic.
If heritage locos are regularly going to lead freights, its only a matter of time before one is wiped out by a truck. Who then will pay for the damage?
BTW, I'm not having a go at the groups as hire service does bring in some much needed $$$. If they weren't hiring out locos, they may not have even survived up until now. However, I think this is something worth thinking about.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:43 pm
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| VBAndy wrote: | | LowndesJ515 wrote: |
| TheRev wrote: | | What I would like to know is what the go with the silver stripes on the pilot is? |
Someone told me more visible at Level Crossings. |
If 413 was a commercial locomotive, that would make sense to me. But last time I checked 413 is a heritage loco, so why modify it any further than required for union standards? All that does in my opinion is set standards that don't need to be set.
First its painting the pilot for better visibility, what next? Air con on the roof, ditch lights & a ufo looking radio antenna? This T is quite unique as TheRev said, seems a bit disturbing that even locos with a level of rarity in preservation get fiddled with. |
Its only bloody paint which is only 1 mm thick who cares!
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TheRev
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:51 pm
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We do. Even if you don't!
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:33 pm
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I will weigh into this debate. I saw T413 at 0530 on tue morning at the warncoort level crossing. I was looking at the locos and from a long way back i knew it was 413 leading because of the stripes. If its visibility they want they got it. However the headlight does have the same effect at night
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:57 pm
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That may be true, but there is still no need for the rubbish on the pilot.
A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.
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