The deadly saga of T413's livery

TheRev · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:46 pm

It is owned by Victrack outright.

It is only care for by 707 Operations, and Victrack can remove it from their care if they see fit. Same goes for any allocated locomotive or carriage held by any group.

A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.

SPSD40T2 · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:59 pm

OK..So if this locomotive is owned as a normal workable assett then surely its appearance or condition is incumbent upon the job its charged to do. If Victrack were of the idea that it needed pink paint with purple polka dots then they can do so at will ? If they consider handrails and warning stripes part of any up to date refinemnt of the machine ...then they do just that.

If they wish to modify it to realise better operationality..then they do that. its a machine..it does a job, its not a pet !!

The question that to me defines the situation is; is it definitively a piece of a 'museum' that is kept operational for whatever reason,( a rolling heritage fleet...but distinctly defined as such with unequivocal parameters of use ) or is it a locomotive charged with earning its keep like any other in commercial ownership?

TheRev · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:57 pm

The locomotive is virtually a working museum piece - it is on the heritage fleet roster. It would have been sold off to commercial companies otherwise. To a degree heritage locomotives are out "earning their keep", but this is only a means to an end.

Hiring of state owned (and private) heritage locomotves to commercial operators, is simply to help the groups make end meet and pay for repairs to these and other pieces of machinary in their care. If the government simply gave each group a yearly budget as in NSW, things would be a lot easier and hiring of said locomotives would most likely slow down or stop.

Handrails are an OHS and RTBU requirement for the locomotive to run on the mainline to earn money for the respective carer, so no getting out of that one. Groups can't hot-rod it or perform any type of major alteration like chopping the nose down for example. If it's a requirement to have modifications for the machine to run on the mainline, then they will be performed. However, you cannot modify the machine simply to suit your own agenda, as it does not actually belong to you. It is still a state heritage asset, and there is a fair bit of trust involved.

Paint schemes are a fine line. There have been preservation groups who have painted locomotives in their care into corporate liveries as part of a hire deal - S313 more or less fits into this at present. it would be nice if all groups sat down and came up with some sort of unanamous code for this type of arrangement, but I can't see it happening in the short term.

A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.

Deep Throat · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:07 pm

Just paint it pink, whack 3 Harris cars behind it and be done with.

SPSD40T2 · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:18 pm

Just curious... what makes one loco any more ( or less ) of a current entity. T413..all said and done is just a T class..with a unique spec granted.

Who out of interest contructs the "heritage list" and where is it viewable?

Deep Throat · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:43 pm

It's the Heritage Register or the Historic Vehicles Register.

Essentially it's an Excel spreadsheet that is sort of maintained by VicTrack but really not listing all, or most, or some of the locomotives carriages and rollingstock retained by various preservation groups across the state.

I've got one somewhere on the laptop, but it's inaccurate and out of date. It's also the most current one.

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Anyway - the whole argument is a load of bollocks and length-comparison from both sides. Real heritage exists in what was recorded at the time, not a representation now.

All locomotives and rollingstock preserved (with the possible exception of some of the stuff at Maldon and Daylesford) are not even close to accurate anyway. And certainly not mainline.

Heritage is what was recorded back when it happened, what we see now is only a pale shade of what it was, but at least an effort is being made and if you have a responsibility to maintain a vehicle in a state illustrating its heritage, then don't do a half-job.

B 67 · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:08 am

Well, after reading this whole thread (at 1 in the morning). Two things come to mind.

1. Stripes on the pilot are relatively pointless. Give the loco a few weeks work and the pilot will be so filthy you can't see them anyway.

2. Yellow handrails? Is not good eye-sight a requirement for train crews? If they can't see a blue handrail, they probably should not be driving trains.

Wink

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fast01 · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:29 pm

I saw this picture and wouldn't you know it.. This thread automatically sprung to mind! Wink

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AndrewCudgewa · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:26 pm

stick · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:22 pm

Wow, all this over a colour scheme of a loco which is earning its keep, remarkable for such an old loco. You can get an old 1920's car and hot rod it, discarding its original running gear ie, wooden spoke wheels, engine, drive train etc and it is still a classic, you can get a 1957 Chev, chop it, tub it and drop in a fully blown 350 and have a forward fibreglass tilt bonnet and people go WOW!!!
Do a small paint job on a work horse earning its keep and its the biggest sin since the 10 commandments.
There, had my say.
PS If anyone remembers that ride on mower add with the mower that was purple, I think, with the flames painted on it well that is what I would do a loco if I owned one, T would be good but I reckon an S class would look good.
Had my 2 cents, good night.

A no 1 · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:25 pm

Whats on the Warnambool goods today?
T413 must be off hire as it was sitting on the Brord Gauge turntable South dynon this afternoon!

Junior · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:42 am

T357. Changed over during the weekend

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sthyer · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:29 pm

Somewhere, pages ago, someone asked the question about what rules determine paint schemes. There is one,

AS 7531.1 Lighting & Rolling Stock Visibility - Part 1- Locomotive

It's an Australian Standard, it's industry accepted. If someone was to build a brand new locomotive, it would be reasonable to expect that they would follow the requirements of the code. Codes also exist for visibility of passenger carriages and wagons. The code was used to determine the fitting of reflective stripes on the sides of heritage passenger carriages.

Will this require K classes to have a paint scheme that meets the code into the future? The crystal ball remains cloudy at this stage.

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B 67 · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:43 pm

Just need to add something to the coal to produce safety-striped strobing smoke. Very Happy

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TheRev · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:46 am

Throw a pink flare into the firebox, perhaps?

A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.