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8105_candy
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:31 pm
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The problem is without bogies they are as much use as an aeroplane without wings, maybe they could put the engines in something else.
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wongm
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:56 pm
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Why did the green and gold livery exist the first place? I've never known why... 
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dalts 1985
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:58 pm
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| wongm wrote: | | Why did the green and gold livery exist the first place? I've never known why... |
Would have had something to do with hte Bi-centential Livery or something would it  
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TheLoneGunMan
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:20 am
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| dalts 1985 wrote: | | wongm wrote: | | Why did the green and gold livery exist the first place? I've never known why... |
Would have had something to do with hte Bi-centential Livery or something would it |
Hi All,
I know that 7344 was the same with this scheme, I liked the green locos, its a shame that more locos didn't get the treatment. Heres something that I googled
| Quote: | | The original NSW Indian Red with yellow whiskers livery, introduced with the 42 class in late 1955 (diesels prior to that wore a green livery like express passenger steam locomotives), was unwittingly a perfect camouflage, and the yellow-nose reverse scheme applied from 1979 to 1982, derived from Great Britain and ideal in that lush green landscape, was less than satisfactory in the yellow tones of the Central West and Riverina districts in summer. |
I don't think that 4901-4905 and 7344's green paint scheme had much to do with the bicentenary because we had green diesels running around alot earlier than around the bicentenary. NSW had a bicentenary colour scheme which was a spin off from the candy scheme. http://brians-pics.fotopic.net/c101789.html
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Bwana
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:19 am
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Green livery was for 125th anniversary wasn't it? Same as 4201. From memory 4001 and a 48 (forget which) got it too.
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bulldozed
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:03 am
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| Bwana wrote: | | Green livery was for 125th anniversary wasn't it? Same as 4201. From memory 4001 and a 48 (forget which) got it too. |
That was yet another variation...!
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:10 am
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I think the green is a Delec thing. It was put on a few of the locos used for shunting Enfield and trip trains. I'm pretty sure it first appeared in the early '90s.
Dave Malcolm
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a6et
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:25 am
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With the advent of the "reverse" scheme which IIRC was introduced in David Hills first term the started to be more of a safety thing for vision desired.
Hill was adament on getting a bigger area on the front of the loco's to be painted yellow, his intent was to keep the original colours as much as possible but more of the yellow. Possibly his Pommie background came into play as well.
My first sighting of one was from the station at Bomaderry in 1980, when a 48cl came in on the down pickup under the road bridge on the Sydney side. Normally you would just see the headlight & a blob like appearance, but the yellow nose on this 48 was clearly visible.
The green 73 was mainly used in Sydney yard, & I remember one of the 49's at Clyde pretty constantly. As for the reasons, maybe even here was an effort to have the locomotives more visible with stand out paint schemes.
The yellow fronts have been extended to these days with the PN loco's & I would think that most other schemes have a reasonable visibility aspect with them.
4201 & 4836 were painted in those colours for the Australian Bi-Centenary, as green & gold are suppossed to be the Australian colours as represented by the green & gold of the wattle tree our national flower/tree.
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TW10
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:33 am
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| a6et wrote: | The green 73 was mainly used in Sydney yard, & I remember one of the 49's at Clyde pretty constantly. As for the reasons, maybe even here was an effort to have the locomotives more visible with stand out paint schemes.
4201 & 4836 were painted in those colours for the Australian Bi-Centenary, as green & gold are suppossed to be the Australian colours as represented by the green & gold of the wattle tree our national flower/tree. |
It was always reported that the green and yellow were a Delec "special" for metro operations - perhaps an attempt to segregate the fleet.
4201 & 4836 were repainted for the NSWGR 125 anniversary in 1980. 4201 was also substantially altered with twin marker lights and cab improvements so it could be a lead loco despite Goulburn's efforts.
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a6et
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:05 am
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| TW10 wrote: | | a6et wrote: | The green 73 was mainly used in Sydney yard, & I remember one of the 49's at Clyde pretty constantly. As for the reasons, maybe even here was an effort to have the locomotives more visible with stand out paint schemes.
4201 & 4836 were painted in those colours for the Australian Bi-Centenary, as green & gold are suppossed to be the Australian colours as represented by the green & gold of the wattle tree our national flower/tree. |
It was always reported that the green and yellow were a Delec "special" for metro operations - perhaps an attempt to segregate the fleet.
4201 & 4836 were repainted for the NSWGR 125 anniversary in 1980. 4201 was also substantially altered with twin marker lights and cab improvements so it could be a lead loco despite Goulburn's efforts.
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From my time as a chargeman at Delec, pre the green diesels, but non the less, all of the locomotives were in a pool, & were on diagram rosters that began at the start of the cycle & then finished at the end, any locomotive could be swapped in or out of that roster. When foriegn depot engines were used, they were taken out as soon as a local one was sourced.
Thus if the green engines were part of this operation & it continued the same principle would aplly. So, what I am saying is simply this, I constantly saw a green 49class at Clyde, & a 73 in Sydney Yard, so were there only 2?
The situation being simple, unless on restricted use, I would not imagine any engine that was able to be used on sort of traffic being restricted to yard precincts, or set rosters. The only obstacle to that would be to prevent them being rostered on workings that could have the potential for drivers rostered that were not qualified for them.
At Delec when the 49's first came onto their allotment, it meant there was a huge job to qualify all the drivers for them. The same would apply to any other depot that had them working into.
4201, was fitted with the in cab controlled marker lights, but I also understand that other cab modifications were also carried out to allow it to be used as a leading unit, this icluded I understand long needed sound proofing.
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tranzitjim
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:49 am
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Awnser to .... Why where they there in the first place?
Awnser was, they where purchased by a rail operator by the name of 'Northern Rivers Railroad' or NRR.
NRR where based around that area, so naturally they chose to drag all their purchases up to where they where based.
NRR was sold to QRN, and was the first venture of QR outside of Queensland.
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tranzitjim
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:52 am
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Three questions I would love to ask is,....
#1, what would they expect to get for them?
#2, what are the engines like, would they still run?
#3, has the rust gotten into the frames of the locomotives?
Would they be worthy of purchase?
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alltrainzfan
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:19 am
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It's sad to see the 49s in such a sorry sight. I doubt they'll ever get to run again. 
As for the Green Livery, I think the Locomotion magazine said that the Green Livery had something to do with sectorisation.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:41 am
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Dont write them off yet as they all are restorable and it would be fairly simple to get bogies for these from overseas countries.
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