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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:30 am
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I know a few members of the RTM would be interested in X117 for perway work and general shunting.
What would an X Class Shunter be worth? 
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:51 am
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| 4426_No_2_end wrote: | I know a few members of the RTM would be interested in X117 for perway work and general shunting.
What would an X Class Shunter be worth? |
Deffinatley worth a slab &a few pizza's
One would guess it to be valued at around 20/25 grand in its presant state
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:00 am
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For a little shunting tractor type X Class not the ex Freight Vic Australia jobs.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:07 am
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| 4426_No_2_end wrote: | I know a few members of the RTM would be interested in X117 for perway work and general shunting.
What would an X Class Shunter be worth? |
The X 100 class worked on the Coffs Jetty but that was their limit & later replaced by an X200. Would be flat out pulling a live engine at Thirlmere let alone one that had some rust & dry bearing condition.
What would it be worth? value of engine depending on if its working or not, & even then, more value in spare parts.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:32 am
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The members who are interested claimed they would like it for use on short perway trains on the loopline.
Mind you I think its a case of dreaming of a dedicated perway engine.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:40 am
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| 4426_No_2_end wrote: | a6et
The members who are interested claimed they would like it for use on short perway trains on the loopline.
Mind you I think its a case of dreaming of a dedicated perway engine. |
I think there were 2 only of them built & as they were used on very flat locations, IIRC the othe one initially was at Tocumwal & was replaced by a X200 owing to not being strong enough.
I cannot find my drivers manual for them, but before the X200's came out the high degree of underpowering was the reason to test the Aresco track placing cranes that were located at places like Walgett.
I would think you may be able to pull a half loaded S truck with one of them on a grade. Knowing what it was like working the X 200 on the Clyde to Botany trip working with 6 empty tankers was a labour for the them.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:22 pm
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| a6et wrote: | | 4426_No_2_end wrote: | I know a few members of the RTM would be interested in X117 for perway work and general shunting.
What would an X Class Shunter be worth? |
The X 100 class worked on the Coffs Jetty but that was their limit & later replaced by an X200. Would be flat out pulling a live engine at Thirlmere let alone one that had some rust & dry bearing condition.
What would it be worth? value of engine depending on if its working or not, & even then, more value in spare parts. |
In fact X117 is really X217 and should have a Cummins diesel good for about 250HP.
It may have been renumbered when the train brake valve was removed, rendering it suitable for use by traffic staff rather than loco crew.
X100/X200 numbers were pretty confusing but there were only two "real" X100, 101 and 102, although X212 and X101 swapped numbers in early 1995 (I think).
An X200 was used to haul three bogie tank wagons on the Yass branch, and hauled numbers of passenger cars at Eveleigh so it should be good for perway work, even on the loop line.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:40 pm
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| M636C wrote: | | a6et wrote: | | 4426_No_2_end wrote: | I know a few members of the RTM would be interested in X117 for perway work and general shunting.
What would an X Class Shunter be worth? |
The X 100 class worked on the Coffs Jetty but that was their limit & later replaced by an X200. Would be flat out pulling a live engine at Thirlmere let alone one that had some rust & dry bearing condition.
What would it be worth? value of engine depending on if its working or not, & even then, more value in spare parts. |
In fact X117 is really X217 and should have a Cummins diesel good for about 250HP.
It may have been renumbered when the train brake valve was removed, rendering it suitable for use by traffic staff rather than loco crew.
X100/X200 numbers were pretty confusing but there were only two "real" X100, 101 and 102, although X212 and X101 swapped numbers in early 1995 (I think).
An X200 was used to haul three bogie tank wagons on the Yass branch, and hauled numbers of passenger cars at Eveleigh so it should be good for perway work, even on the loop line.
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I was referring to 101 & 102, You have to go back to the G43 class to match the tractive effort of them.
Rated as a continuous TE of 3,800 at 5 mph, which is less than engine No.1 right back at the begining.
11.900 at 30%adhesion, or 7.900 at 20% adhesion.
Engine #1 had 8900lbs T/E; T-14 a 2-2-2 of 1865 had 7200lbs T/E
good comparisons, but certainly would go well in a theme park I guess.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:44 pm
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| a6et wrote: | | 4426_No_2_end wrote: | a6et
The members who are interested claimed they would like it for use on short perway trains on the loopline.
Mind you I think its a case of dreaming of a dedicated perway engine. |
I think there were 2 only of them built & as they were used on very flat locations, IIRC the othe one initially was at Tocumwal & was replaced by a X200 owing to not being strong enough.
I cannot find my drivers manual for them, but before the X200's came out the high degree of underpowering was the reason to test the Aresco track placing cranes that were located at places like Walgett.
I would think you may be able to pull a half loaded S truck with one of them on a grade. Knowing what it was like working the X 200 on the Clyde to Botany trip working with 6 empty tankers was a labour for the them. |
There were originally only 2 X100-class rail tractors. X117, like a number of its siblings, was an X200-class unit originally, being later renumbered to the X100 series.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:53 pm
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*ahem*
How did a 49 class thread get onto X class shunters/Rail Tractors anyway 
*ahem*
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:58 pm
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I think there is a x tractor up for auction with the 49s as well, I cant stand them, they are so ugly.
I wonder how hard it would be to get replacement bogies? near impossible?
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