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melbtrip
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:21 pm
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Country Rail link buses
Country Rail link buses can provide a service to allow for country users the ability to travel to Melbourne before 9am by connecting to a main station.
For example person from Colac should be having the ability to get a rail bus to Geelong main station so they can continue they journey to Melbourne so they can arrive before 9am.
Here is list new rail bus service I think should be in place:
• Colac to Geelong
• Albury to Seymour
• Shepparton to Seymour
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:58 pm
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If there was actually any demand for services from far-away intercity destinations arriving in Melbourne before 9am, you could run such a thing as a.....
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People from places like Albury, which is 300km from Melbourne, do not commute to Melbourne for 9am-5pm jobs, therefore services arriving before 9am are not important for these people.
I think it is more that you want some bus routes which nobody would use created for you to foam and/or dribble over.
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Ballast_Plough
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:14 pm
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Maybe it's just me but I'm kind of thinking the first and last exist anyway for people who only need to go to Geelong or Seymour !!!
And yes, the Albury bus would have to leave about 4am - you'd be better off catching the night XPT.
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melbtrip
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:23 pm
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| Somebody in the WWW wrote: | If there was actually any demand for services from far-away intercity destinations arriving in Melbourne before 9am, you could run such a thing as a.....
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People from places like Albury, which is 300km from Melbourne, do not commute to Melbourne for 9am-5pm jobs, therefore services arriving before 9am are not important for these people.
I think it is more that you want some bus routes which nobody would use created for you to foam and/or dribble over. |
No the demand would not be so high from places like Colac for a frequent train service, so that why it be good they also run a rail bus service so connects with a service main station like Geelong so they can have the ability to travel to Melbourne before 9am.
This rail bus will be good because it gives the state government the ability to run more services which over wise they would not run!
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:32 pm
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| melbtrip wrote: | No the demand would not be so high from places like Colac, so that why it be good if they had a rail bus so connects with a service main station like Geelong so they can have the ability to travel to Melbourne before 9am.
This rail bus will be good because it gives the state government the ability to run more services which over wise they would not run! |
Who from your favorite example of Colac wants to catch some bus to Geelong in order to reach Melbourne at 8:50am over the morning pass from Warrnambool arriving at 9:30am?
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melbtrip
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:02 pm
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| Somebody in the WWW wrote: | | melbtrip wrote: | No the demand would not be so high from places like Colac, so that why it be good if they had a rail bus so connects with a service main station like Geelong so they can have the ability to travel to Melbourne before 9am.
This rail bus will be good because it gives the state government the ability to run more services which over wise they would not run! |
Who from your favorite example of Colac wants to catch some bus to Geelong in order to reach Melbourne at 8:50am over the morning pass from Warrnambool arriving at 9:30am? |
The main aim of the Rail bus service is to allow more services to run to places like:
• Colac
• Albury
• Shepparton
• And other major regional centers
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DalyWaters
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:21 pm
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| Quote: | The main aim of the Rail bus service is to allow more services to run to places like:
• Colac
• Albury
• Shepparton
• And other major regional centers |
Why?
Are you saying that there has been a strong demand for such services?
Its hard to find anyone from these cities calling for them.
Please, think about out taxes. Lets use our tax money to subsidise services that are needed, not just a whim.
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melbtrip
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:30 pm
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| DalyWaters wrote: | | Quote: | The main aim of the Rail bus service is to allow more services to run to places like:
• Colac
• Albury
• Shepparton
• And other major regional centers |
Why?
Are you saying that there has been a strong demand for such services?
Its hard to find anyone from these cities calling for them.
Please, think about out taxes. Lets use our tax money to subsidise services that are needed, not just a whim. |
Normally you find them calling for more train service instead, but rail bus service would be add-on service people can use.
If these communities start to uses these rail bus service and if they is strong demand and then they would have good case to get more train services to their area.
At lease the state government can run a trail and see what happens!
Note South East Queensland they have rail bus service and normally buses are full.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:38 pm
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| melbtrip wrote: | | The main aim of the Rail bus service is to allow more services to run to places like: |
What?
| melbtrip wrote: | If these communities start to uses these rail bus service and if they is strong demand and then they would have good case to get more train services to their area.
At lease the state government can run a trail and see what happens! |
But there's no demand for an extra train from Albury arriving 30 minutes earlier than the present train - or a bus arriving 30 minutes earlier than the train.
| melbtrip wrote: | | At lease the state government can run a trail and see what happens! |
They would get to the end of the walking trail rather exhausted?
| melbtrip wrote: | | Note South East Queensland they have rail bus service and normally buses are full. |
Those being the Caboolture-Nambour rail buses, which operate to fill large off-peak gaps in an interurban train service, which suffers from a lack of paths due to single track and freight trains given priority.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:31 pm
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If we look at reality then we find that certain places are just too far from Melbourne to be within a round-trip journey timeframe on a regular basis.
I can see some logic in the thinking behind the suggestion but the likely demand for connecting road coaches before the existing morning trains would probably be very small.
Taking Colac, Albury and Shepparton as examples as they were specifically flagged we find:-
Colac has a morning train at 07.04 arriving Melbourne (Southern Cross) at 09.05 which is perfectly acceptable for most needs; to offer a credible earlier alternative for a 09.00 office start would require a connection into the 07.23 Geelong departure for which a coach would have to leave Colac no later than 06.00 allowing for morning traffic into Geelong.
Albury has an existing train at 05.54 arriving Melbourne 10.11. While that is a full hour later and less acceptable for business purposes the distance involved is also rather greater. For an arrival before 09.00 a road coach would need to connect at Seymour into the 07.04 train and would have to depart Albury at around 04.30. Anyone prepared to rise that early for a morning trip to Melbourne could potentially catch the direct XPT at 04.12 arriving at 07.35. I accept the detail point that a road coach could serve those intermediate towns which the XPT does not.
The 07.00 train from Shepparton reaches Melbourne at 09.28; a road coach connection into the 07.04 from Seymour would need to depart by 05.30 which is again rather too early for much comfort.
Instead of duplicating existing links if there were to be funding available for additional road transport as a part of the Statewide public transport service then it should go to fill gaps in the network or provide additional options where at present there are only very infrequent private buses. Bairnsdale - Omeo comes to mind as does Leongatha - Foster - Tidal River or Yarram - Sale.
The VLine network is remarkably comprehensive and already brings some form of public transport to the great majority of Victorian towns and cities and to many smaller wayside communities also.
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kuldalai
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:12 pm
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The Metlink response to the Eddington Report which represents Rail Passenger Operators including VLP states a preference to increase VLP Inter-City train frequencies up from 3 to 4 return trips per day . So that can be taken as the VLP plan and intention when sufficient resources are available.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:48 pm
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| kuldalai wrote: | | The Metlink response to the Eddington Report which represents Rail Passenger Operators including VLP states a preference to increase VLP Inter-City train frequencies up from 3 to 4 return trips per day . So that can be taken as the VLP plan and intention when sufficient resources are available. |
Weekdays only or including weekends? Why Warrnambool doesn't currently have a 3rd return service on Sundays in my opinion is a joke
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:44 pm
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| fullofrubbish wrote: | | Why Warrnambool doesn't currently have a 3rd return service on Sundays in my opinion is a joke |
Hate to see you visit Swan Hill - their service level only got upped to 2 return trips per day in 2006, and the first one doesn't arrive Melbourne until 11:43am, which is necessary to have a half-respectable departure time from Mildura (4:20am).
On the subject of intercity train frequencies; the populations along each route and travel patterns are different. For example, there is only 15,000 people tops living in the Bendigo - Swan Hill corridor (minus Eaglehawk, and as well as another 40,000 fed by buses from Mildura) but the Seymour-Albury corridor would have over 100,000 people - there's about 80,000 in the Albury/Wodonga urban area alone 
One uniform service level for intercity lines is not appropriate as they can be significantly different. The populations of the Bairnsdale, Warrnambool & Ararat corridors could IMO warrant a fourth return trip as proposed but I would like to see a minimum of 5 for the North East to Albury given it's population 
Another good example could be Shepparton (pop 45,000) which already has buses to Seymour to supplement the train service and a freeway soon to be all the way there from Melbourne but only an inadequate 3 trains per day. Why does virtually everything terminate 1 hour south of it at much smaller Seymour, which only has a population of 7,000?
Swan Hill could do with a 3rd daily train and perhaps restoring the evening train to it's previous departure time which most passengers preferred. As I have stated previously, I am a fan of the idea of running a proper co-ordinated rail/bus service to Mildura via Swan Hill.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:36 pm
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We shall have to wait and see what service is proposed when the NE sg conversion is under way. At present there are actually 5 return trips offerred between Melbourne and Albury of which two are provided by Countrylink and two ("temporarily") require a change to road coach at Wangaratta.
I can understand that Melbourne - Seymour is considered "outer commuter belt" and therefore Seymour makes a logical point at which to start and terminate more local services.
If we look at the longer-distance trains we find that they are just as much a part of the Seymour - Melbourne service as are any others and some - contentiously in the opinion of some local people - make local stops within that section.
My question over providing additional trips to Shepparton is "Can this be done within the present track and signalling configuration to offer trips at popular times?"
Swan Hill should be able to support a third train if it can be linked into onward bus connections to the hinterland but again there might be issues of scheduling it onto a single line at a suitable time.
Warrnambool should most certainly have more trains as there is significant population along the corridor and there are good onward bus connections which reach through to South Australia. Again with the facilities which exist there are very limited options as it is basically a very long siding beyond South Geelong. Crosses can be arranged but at considerable time penalty since one train must shunt and redock owing to all stations having just a single platform road.
Let us hope that the current fuel price situation actually spurs those in power to action and that crews, rolling stock and any other resources necessary can be found for such improvements.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:51 pm
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| melbtrip wrote: | Country Rail link buses
Country Rail link buses can provide a service to allow for country users the ability to travel to Melbourne before 9am by connecting to a main station.
For example person from Colac should be having the ability to get a rail bus to Geelong main station so they can continue they journey to Melbourne so they can arrive before 9am.
Here is list new rail bus service I think should be in place:
• Colac to Geelong
• Albury to Seymour
• Shepparton to Seymour |
Why not run them direct to Melbourne at 50 cents one-way.
Isn't the idea of PT to get commuters out of Cars?
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