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TheLoadedDog
El Sombrero!
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:33 am
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Please read this before posting in this thread.
This thread was split for a reason after it went off in a direction I did not want.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11332365.htm
Rather than being petty and just removing the discussion I thought that there was a point to be made . It wasn't what "The loadeddog" really meant when he wrote his post, but I'm using it as a spark for further discussion if users wish to.
Of course what you are about to read is the original post and the subsequent reactions from people supporting and against. I could have just removed it entirely but I want you all to see the pluses and minus before we reopen discussion, and not just delete it.
I think there are a few lessons all Railpage Australia™ users could learn too.
Remember the thread title was chosen by myself not "TheLoadedDog™"
to reflect what I think is the issue. I have told him I were doing this - so I hope my implmentation goes well !
So read the following, until you hit my next post, then we can continue.
But we will not be discussing the particular user that this thread was based on, or need to support,defend, or take to task anyone. Clear ?
Sincerely,
David Head
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Actually, I suspect I'm not alone in thinking it's borderline spam.
I can read the papers myself, thanks. I know how to use Google. We don't need one user treating about six forums as a personal playpen to post everything he reads online without so much as doing us the courtesy of adding some of his own thoughts or interpretations, or indeed without doing the actual authors the favour of respecting their copyright.
Frankly, I wish he'd cease and desist. Tony might be a nice guy, but we've banned trolls for less.
"'Reality,' sa molesworth 2, 'is so unspeakably sordid it make me shudder.'"
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Tonymercury
The Ghost of George Stephenson
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:03 am
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| TheLoadedDog™™ wrote: |
Frankly, I wish he'd cease and desist. Tony might be a nice guy, but we've banned trolls for less. |
Done,
Goodbye lads
Tony Bailey
A Yahoo Groups that may be of interest-
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Tonymercury
The Ghost of George Stephenson
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:07 am
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If anyone still wants to keep up to date - see the signature
Tony Bailey
A Yahoo Groups that may be of interest-
RailNewsInternational
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ParkesHub
Chief Commissioner
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:16 am
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| TheLoadedDog™™ wrote: | Actually, I suspect I'm not alone in thinking it's borderline spam.
I can read the papers myself, thanks. I know how to use Google. We don't need one user treating about six forums as a personal playpen to post everything he reads online without so much as doing us the courtesy of adding some of his own thoughts or interpretations, or indeed without doing the actual authors the favour of respecting their copyright.
Frankly, I wish he'd cease and desist. Tony might be a nice guy, but we've banned trolls for less. |
Well, I disagree. I liked to read it (not every day and not every article, mind you).
All Tony was doing was responding to this thread from long ago: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11301822.htm and there's nothing to stop others from 'adding to' or 'commenting on' what has been posted.
As to whether or not Tony commenting on his clippings, I guess I think that's up to him so I don't think it would be a courtesy on his behalf necessarily. He usually does indicate the source of the posts, by the way.
I love the word 'but' in sentences. What 'but' means is forget what I wrote before the 'but' word, this is what I really mean! As in "Tony might be a nice guy, but we've banned trolls for less."
Anyway, I think you were just grumpy due to the late hour (3:31AM), weren't you!!!
He's buggered off so it's all history now.
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574M
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:18 am
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| dthead wrote: | I would like to show my personal appriciation for all the posting Tony has done in the various international forums, letting us know what is happening overseas. I know many others do as well, but Tony is exceptional, and makes it worthwhile to come into these forums and read.
Now, is there a 'Bogie' category I can nominate Tony for ??????
Regards,
David Head |
Tony Mercury very nearly won "Most Informative Poster" last year, but he was pipped at the post by Electra, who did a magnificent set of posts on the history of electric traction and the traction innards of EMD power.
I find his work to be of value as I visit India often, and so I always read his Asia and India news. I also crawl through his other threads if I am going to visit another country, such as the UK or Germany, to come up to scratch on what is happening in the local scene when you visit that country.
Railpage Australia™ is a mixture of straight out data and information, information seeking on particular interests, and also views, opinions and debate on the current state of affairs and how that might best be resolved across a variety of fora.
There is a place for the work of Tonymercury, just as there is a place for the listing of yellow doors on Tangaras, PN loco movements, fleet servicing and changes to consists, the construction and delivery of new rolling stock and motive power, the whereabouts of the AK cars, and the stock prices of various operators. Its ecumenical.
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42101
NSW's Nasty one
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:22 am
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I am in full agrement with TLD™ it is spam.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
Optus suck
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Sydney_Gunzel
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:41 am
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| 42101 wrote: | | I am in full agrement with TLD™™ it is spam. |
At risk of being flamed by 42101; if you don't like it, don't read it. As was said above, its good for keeping up with international happenings.
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ParkesHub
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:51 am
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| 42101 wrote: | | I am in full agrement with TLD™™ it is spam. |
Depends on your definition of 'spam'.
Spam Definition
It might be a lot of things but spam isn't one of them (IMHO).
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Gwiwer
Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:15 am
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Tony has posted a vast amount of material here which I have either found to be of interest and read or, on occasions, have simply chosen to ignore.
The fact that most of his posts are press quotes and media reports arises, as he has said himself once or twice, from these posts being a spin-off from his mainstream revenue-raising activities.
If he has really taken umbrage and left us as a result of one single post then I feel that the loss is ours and that the entire International department will be much the poorer for it. There might have been other considerations we may not be aware of such as the potential for free to view posts to have compromised his income stream.
There are others within our community whose contribution comprises mostly of copied press clippings and reports. Are we to treat them the same way? One name in particular comes to mind who has been responsible for keeping us informed of any and every media reference to anything referring to the Cranbourne area of Victoria.
One member may be at liberty to post their comments and another equally free to respond as they choose but if Railpage Australia™ is degenerating into the sort of board where no-one feel confident to make an intelligent post for fear of upsetting others then I too shall have no more part of it.
I have never considered factual reporting in places where we choose to visit to be spam. I would consider spam to be material addressed personally to myself or encoded in such a way that it reached my own inbox rather than a board where I have to make numerous deliberate choices before I read the material.
As such Tonymercury was not spamming. He was placing information into our domain (which is no different to the activities of any of our members) which by the sound of it many have found interesting and one person has clearly not. I feel that perhaps he may be due a PM from the person concerned setting out their case but clarifying that Tony is most welcome to return to Railpage Australia™ should he choose to do so and that the comment made was not on behalf of Railpage Australia™ or its management but the private opinion of one individual.
I believe we have also warned members for lesser personal attacks and opinionated comments than this.
CEO Penhayle Bay Railway. Ferroequinologist. BA Hons (Honourable Bachelor of Aquatarts  )
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Johnmc
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Joined: Oct 21, 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:41 am
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| TheLoadedDog™™ wrote: | Actually, I suspect I'm not alone in thinking it's borderline spam.
<snip>
Frankly, I wish he'd cease and desist. Tony might be a nice guy, but we've banned trolls for less. |
| 42101 wrote: | | I am in full agrement with TLD™™ it is spam. |
No.
You are both out of line here. Admittedly, for Tony to leave with such little provocation would indicate that he's been considering it for some time. However, a straw is still a straw, and none of us know how much our respective camels are toting at any given time.
Yes, we *can* read the news ourselves, but when someone has gone to the trouble of gleaning nuggets of information from the overburden, why knock it?
All comments made by myself are as a private citizen, and are not made on behalf of QR.
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42101
NSW's Nasty one
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:47 am
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John sorry but up to 3 pages every day of just media releases is overkill if anyone else did that they would have been canned.
Tony has a link to his site in his sig for people to read what he posts.
GM Diesels Rule. 3801ltd Quality right to the end. Hands off the large sartor. DFTT.
All spelling errrors blame my tom cat meggs.
Optus suck
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michaelgreenhill
Patron Saint of Alcohol
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:04 pm
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No, it's not spam. Spam is unsolicited advertising - what Tony posted isn't unsolicited, as we've given him permission to do so (hell, actively encouraged him to), and it's not advertising. It's news.
By that logic, the news items on the front page are also spam.
Guys, I respect your thoughts on this matter but they're just opinions, and so far you're the only two to feel this way. I for one highly value Tony's news items, and have told him so on many occasions. Tony, don't let this drive you away!
There's a lot of things on this forum that I don't like. I don't like that every second post of Greg's is flamebait, so I chose not to read his posts anymore - which is a shame, because I'm sure that amongst all the angst are a few nuggets of information. You guys have the same choice; you can either read his posts, or not.
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TheLoadedDog
El Sombrero!
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:38 pm
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| ParkesHub wrote: | | As to whether or not Tony commenting on his clippings, I guess I think that's up to him so I don't think it would be a courtesy on his behalf necessarily. He usually does indicate the source of the posts, by the way. |
This is a message board. It's not a news feed.
| ParkesHub wrote: | | I love the word 'but' in sentences. What 'but' means is forget what I wrote before the 'but' word, this is what I really mean! As in "Tony might be a nice guy, but we've banned trolls for less." |
I'm so glad a simple conjunction gives you your jollies. Please don't tell me what I "really mean". I don't believe I have any sort of reputation here for hiding what I think. I say what I mean, and I meant BOTH ends of that sentence.
| ParkesHub wrote: | | Anyway, I think you were just grumpy due to the late hour (3:31AM), weren't you!!! |
Now you, on the other hand, might need to consider being a little less evasive about what you mean. If you mean "TLD™ was tired and emotional late on a Friday night, and in his drunken state lashed out at somebody online", then say so. You'd also be wrong - or have you forgotten I'm a shift worker? I didn't get in last night until after 11pm. I rarely go to bed before 3am. Well, it's the following afternoon, and I stand by every word of what I posted early this morning.
| ParkesHub wrote: | | He's buggered off so it's all history now. |
Well that was a bit silly of him, given that my view is in the minority here.
| Gwiwer wrote: | | I believe we have also warned members for lesser personal attacks and opinionated comments than this. |
If we have, then that's very sad. Show me where I've played the man and not the ball. That's right. you can't. The only thing I said about Tony personally is that he's "probably a nice guy". I just disagree with his actions here, and I'm pointing that out. The only crime I've committed is that my opinion is different to yours. Seriously, many folks here need to take Chopper's advice and harden the %$& up.
| Johnmc wrote: | | You are both out of line here. |
And you'd be wrong. Out of line for having an unpopular opinion? If that's the case, this place has sunk even lower than I had thought.
| Johnmc wrote: | | Admittedly, for Tony to leave with such little provocation would indicate that he's been considering it for some time. However, a straw is still a straw, and none of us know how much our respective camels are toting at any given time. |
So we should all pussyfoot around and post pictures of kittens, just in case? Any given member's load of straw is their own business. Except when they build effigies out of them, that is.
| Johnmc wrote: | | Yes, we *can* read the news ourselves, but when someone has gone to the trouble of gleaning nuggets of information from the overburden, why knock it? |
Because it breaches copyright and deprives legitimate news outlets of advertising revenue.
And thank you SO MUCH to the coward who reported my post. Remind me to stick to the kittens next time.
"'Reality,' sa molesworth 2, 'is so unspeakably sordid it make me shudder.'"
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marvin
Chief Train Controller
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:56 pm
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Phhaaaark !
No wonder Catlicks World Youf Day/Week/Munf has been so quiet.
"The Chaser" team has infiltrated Railpage Australia™ instead.
marvin the mis-guided martian
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ParkesHub
Chief Commissioner
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:15 pm
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| TheLoadedDog™™ wrote: | | ParkesHub wrote: | | As to whether or not Tony commenting on his clippings, I guess I think that's up to him so I don't think it would be a courtesy on his behalf necessarily. He usually does indicate the source of the posts, by the way. |
This is a message board. It's not a news feed. |
Oh please! The guy can post what he wants!
| TheLoadedDog™™ wrote: |
| ParkesHub wrote: | | I love the word 'but' in sentences. What 'but' means is forget what I wrote before the 'but' word, this is what I really mean! As in "Tony might be a nice guy, but we've banned trolls for less." |
I'm so glad a simple conjunction gives you your jollies. |
No, it doesn't.
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| ParkesHub wrote: | | Anyway, I think you were just grumpy due to the late hour (3:31AM), weren't you!!! |
Now you, on the other hand, might need to consider being a little less evasive about what you mean. If you mean "TLD™™ was tired and emotional late on a Friday night, and in his drunken state lashed out at somebody online", then say so. You'd also be wrong - or have you forgotten I'm a shift worker? I didn't get in last night until after 11pm. I rarely go to bed before 3am. Well, it's the following afternoon, and I stand by every word of what I posted early this morning. |
You should read nothing else into what I wrote about being grumpy....just that you were grumpy due to the lateness of the hour. Nothing more, nothing less.
It would seem a little unfair to suggest what you might have been doing late on a Friday night because I don't know you from the bloke next door, hence making assumptions would be presumptive and could be pejorative. The only fact was the lateness of the hour so that's what I went by. If you assumed that I was being critical or being a smart-smeg, please do not as it wasn't my intent.
So, no, I do not need to consider the sin of evasion (whether I've committed it, that is).
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| ParkesHub wrote: | | He's buggered off so it's all history now. |
Well that was a bit silly of him, given that my view is in the minority here. |
Yes, I think it was a bit premature and (as opposed to 'but') that's his choice.
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And thank you SO MUCH to the coward who reported my post. Remind me to stick to the kittens next time. |
'Twasn't me!
Anyway, cheer up!
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