[NSW] Proposed Wattle Grove station

awsgc24 · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:39 am

The local paper has proposed a new station at Wattle Grove, across the Georges River from East Hills. The station is vital to support the ever growing population of this suburb.

Bwana · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:57 pm

They're only a kilometre or two from Holsworthy station. It might be a nice idea but I'd hardly call it necessary.

dasher · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:50 pm

If the station was "across the Georges River from East Hills" that would put it in between East Hills and Holsworthy stations, and would geographically be at Voyager Point.

Wattle Grove is actually past Holsworthy. I agree with Bwana's sentiments that it hard necessary for a station at WG. The one at Voyager Point would have more merit, but not much though.

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sandown · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:48 pm

Judging by the number of cars having to invent car spaces around the car parking station at Holsworthy, surely, it would be simpler and cheaper in the short term to treble the number of car park spaces available there.

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Bwana · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:03 pm

Structurefire · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:05 pm

I agree Bwana. People need to learn to walk to the station!

They don't need a station there, it's silly.

sandown · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:15 pm

jrobbo · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:40 pm

They did this in Western Australia - Greenwood Station on the Joondalup line was built to relieve congestion and parking congestion at the nearby Warwick and Whitfords stations, which are the busiest on the line. I gather it has actually attracted more people from the area and relieved the other two stations of significant congestion.

Parking is not always the best solution.

But then again, the stations in WA aren't a kilometre apart.

Warks · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:55 pm

Thornleigh is only SFA from Pennant Hills but attracts good passenger numbers due to the people from Westleigh using the station but the main difference is the Very Large Car Park which is full by 730am every day.

Pennant Hills gets the buses from Cherrybrook and Dural but has no room for a VLCP so 100 years after the stations were first built the close spacing of the stations was justified.

So there could be justification for the new station on the grounds of parking. At least that makes my post on topic.

(In reality Thornleigh station would be better situated at the Duffy Avenue bridge up the hill which would be closer to halfway between P Hills and Normanhurst.)

Inspector · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:43 pm

One needs to ask: How much demand is there for a new station at Wattle Grove? It seems that this is currently only a proposal by the local paper. In the current political climate, I can't see any such proposal getting past Treasury. Twisted Evil

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callufrax · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:59 pm

Somebody in the WWW · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:02 pm

Voyager Point is a suburb.

Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Point%2C_New_South_Wales

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drwaddles · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:03 pm

Voyager Point is the suburb on the western side of the Georges River from East Hills and east of Holsworthy Station.

callufrax · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:06 pm

Oldfart · Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:10 pm

Liverpool really has three stations (four if you count Casula). Liverpool itself is for nearby walkers and bus-catchers, Warwick Farm and Holsworthy are its big park-and-ride stations. Warwick Farm parking is all at ground level but quite large in area. Holsworthy is a bit more distant from Liverpool but has a large multi-storey car park, a bus service to Liverpool and the advantage of a much faster journey if you're going to the city or the airport.

All the above car parks are well and truly full by a 0830 at the latest on week days and there is a real need right now for more rail commuter parking in the area. The main point of a Wattle Grove (or some call it 'Georges River') station would be to supply that. The advantage of the latter is that it would be a bit closer to many parts of the Liverpool area and easily accessible from the main road (Moorebank Ave.)

The local rag says the state government is opposed to it. They probably figure that the trains are already full anyway and that the new (2012) South West Link stations will soak up some of that traffic. However, I think that the demand from new developments like Leppington, Edmondson Park, Horningsea Park and Middleton Grange will fill them alone. No doubt the state government would not receive much encouragement from the nearby M-5 operators for another park-and-ride station either.

With only a fraction of the travelling population using trains, but with a clear indication that more would do so if the parking facilities were there, it's a shame if rail commuting growth is nobbled by that sort of thinking. Compared with the Campbelltown Express and East Hills Lines, the South and Bankstown lines are much slower trips to the city. For Liverpudlians, the choice of another park-and-ride option on the CE/EH line would be quite attractive.

There was once a proposal for a Y-link enabling services from Liverpool south around onto the East Hills line and vice versa - forming a large circular Airport & South line. Effectively lots of Liverpool commuters now drive to and park at Holsworthy to achieve the same effect.