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dalts 1985
Chief Commissioner
Joined: Jul 29, 2003
Last Visited: Oct 13, 2008
Location: Warrnambool by the sea on the Shipwreck Coast of Victoria
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:25 pm
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The first one to report on this was "The Local ScRag" read: The Warrnabubble Standard in Yesterdays paper on Page 3... The pre-intro. headline was located in the header of the front page...
Today saw a lot of talk in the brekky radio show programmes here locally...
"A vote for Labor means no more of Howard's bullsh*t |
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bramt
Chief Train Controller
Joined: Aug 30, 2006
Last Visited: Oct 13, 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:04 pm
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| Ballast_Plough wrote: | | Whilst I can see how absurd the situation is, I can also see the angle that V/Line is probably coming from. Trains certainly aren't going to get through but there's nothing stopping a Hi-Rail from jumping on at the level crossing and going for a ride and possibly hitting the gang. |
While I understand that accidents can happen when a chain of trivial little things are forgotten, trains don't roam the tracks like free range hens! All train movements are controlled, aren't they? What is a Hi-Rail? Is that a track maintenance road vehicle with guidewheels? Surely their movements have to be controlled as well as trains, so that they don't run into each other?
I just don't see how there is any possibility of an accident when the track is officially closed, and physically blocked, therefore no vehicles could be on it.
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Deep Throat
Chief Commissioner
Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Last Visited: Oct 14, 2008
Location: Hanging out with Donald Snerd
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:43 pm
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So by protecting every level crossing due to media hysteria results in media hysteria about protecting level crossings. Nothing like tabloid politicking.
Anonymous - and proud of it.
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Chris Brownbill
Chief Commissioner
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:54 pm
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| Brenden wrote: | Other that my awesome suggestions do others have any perhaps some more sensible one?
cheers
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Why dont they do the honest thing and close the line. Lets face it - there's never going to be another train out there - so lets stop pretending, and presto - no need for a flagman.
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mjja
Sir Nigel Gresley
Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:17 am
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So what happens if the drainage people accidentally erode the roadbed and quickly patch it up so V/Line don't notice? They try to run a train over the line and it derails, potentially killing someone. To avoid that possibility they have one of their representatives there to make sure the work is up to scratch.
And $1300 a week wouldn't all go straight into his pocket. A lot of it would be meal allowance etc for being out in the sticks.
Yep, slow news day.
| michaelgreenhill wrote: | | Ballast_Plough wrote: | | Reading back through rail or aviation accident reports often shows an accident was the sum result of many minor factors which just so happened to occur simultaneously. A number of these incidental factors may have appeared extremely trivial in their own right (like having a flagman on the Dennington line) but when viewed as a complete package, you can see how an accident unfolds. |
To paraphrase a line often found in computing: "Safety is a journey, not a destination". |
Do you know who said that? It wasn't someone qualified to comment on security. 
Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"
Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)
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sthyer
Assistant Commissioner
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:15 pm
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| mjja wrote: | | So what happens if the drainage people accidentally erode the roadbed and quickly patch it up so V/Line don't notice? They try to run a train over the line and it derails, potentially killing someone. To avoid that possibility they have one of their representatives there to make sure the work is up to scratch. |
Think you're confusing things here Mjja. He's a flagman, not a ganger or a track engineer. He stands away from the actual worksite and is not able or qualified to make that call. I guess like any out of commission line, it would be thoroughly inspected prior to any train running.
Wouldn't surprise me if Wannon water alerted the media. They're probably pissed off at having to pay a flagman.
Hanlon's Razor - Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
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thelastname
Photo Overlord
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Last Visited: Oct 13, 2008
Location: Warrnambool
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wolfpac
Chief Commissioner
Joined: Apr 19, 2004
Last Visited: Oct 14, 2008
Location: "Melton"-SSS Line...
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:52 am
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At least he hasn't totally been given the a$$, still, nothing beats that nice cosy job, boring as it probably was... 
Wolfpac
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kuldalai
Chief Commissioner
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:11 pm
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Previously posted in part .........
"And $1300 a week wouldn't all go straight into his pocket. A lot of it would be meal allowance etc for being out in the sticks. "
Big eater ????
Seriously though this incident shows someone in Track Access at VLP needs to be more flexible and less bureaucratic. If a media beat up can achieve the outcome of booking the track out for a few weeks , then that is what an on the ball co-operative Track Access Provider could and should have been doing in the first place .
Incidentally to close a railway line requires approval from State Parliament so the easy way is just to book a track out, forget it and let it rot away .
The Nth Geelong Yard - Fyansford line has not seen a train in 10 years and yet it just continues to sit there and rot , when it should be taken up - but that costs money and effort .
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