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Bwana
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:47 pm
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TRAIN ARRANGEMENTS
TIMETABLE FOR EMPTY CARS
MACARTHUR – SYDNEY TERMINAL
SS60 (Empty) will depart Thirlmere 1625, arrive Picton Frame C 1645, g, depart 1650, pass Picton 1652, Macarthur 1722, Campbelltown 1724, Ingleburn 1734, EH Glenfield Junction 1740, East Hills 1751, M, Kingsgrove 1806, Turrella 1811 E, Wolli Creek Junctions 1814 IL, Sydenham 1822 XI, Erskineville Junction 1828, XM Illawarra Junction 1832, arrive Sydney Terminal 1838 hours, stable.
>Stable diesel locomotive (at buffer stop end) and stable leading / buffer stop end nine (9) cars.
> Two (2) Redfern end cars and steam locomotive the forms HS61 1853 hours.
TIMETABLE FOR STEAM LOCOMOTIVE AND SERVICE VEHICLES
SYDNEY TERMINAL – EVELEIGH
HS61 (Light steam locomotive 3642 tender first and two service vehicles – maximum speed 40 km/h) will depart Sydney Terminal 1853 hours UM – ED arrive Eveleigh 1850 hours – turn, water and service locomotive, - shunt and stable.
SATURDAY, AUGUST 02
TIMETABLE FOR STEAM LOCOMOTIVE AND SERVICE VEHICLE
EVELEIGH – SYDNEY TERMINAL
HS64 (Steam locomotive 3642 tender first and SWT service vehicle – maximum speed 40 km/h) will depart Eveleigh 0910 hours, ED – UM, Sydney Terminal arrive 0918 hours – reverse locomotive and position SWT service vehicle (to allow re-water of locomotive off HS66), then attach six (6) country end cars standing, forms HS65 1008 hours.
TIMETABLE FOR PASSENGER TRAINS
SYDNEY TERMINAL – SUTHERLAND – CRONULLA
HS65 (Pass.) will depart Sydney Terminal 1008 hours, M pass Illawarra Junction 1013 XI, Erskineville Junction 1015, Sydenham 1018, Wolli Creek Junctions 1021, Hurstville 1029, Mortdale 1032, Sutherland 1044 XB, Gymea 1049, Caringbah 1055, arrive Cronulla 1100 hours, forms HS66 1130 hours.
Reversal at Cronulla: HS65 will shunt and reverse to form HS66
HS65: Arrives from the Main Line and runs via Loop to Platform Road Southern Extension.
De-trail passengers at Southern Extension of Platform.
Propel consist to Loop, clear of Platform Road Pints.
Uncouple locomotive and run onto Southern Extension of Platform.
Once 2 - - G departs at 1113 hours, reverse locomotive via Loop to Sydney end of cars.
Re-couple locomotive and propel from Loop to Platform road southern Extension.
HS66: Entrain passengers and depart from Platform Road Southern Extension, runs via Loop to main Line.
TIMETABLE FOR PASSENGER TRAINS
CRONULLA – SUTHERLAND – SYDNEY TERMINAL
HS66 (Pass.) (Tender first maximum speed 40 km/h) will depart Cronulla 1130 hours, pass Caringbah 1137, Gymea 1143, XM, Sutherland 1150, Mortdale 1203, I, Hurstville 1207, Wolli Creek Junctions 1219, Sydenham 1224, Erskineville Junction 1228, XM Illawarra Junction 1230, arrive Sydney Terminal 1236 hours, forms HS67 1408 hours.
TIMETABLE FOR PASSENGER TRAINS
SYDNEY TERMINAL – SUTHERLAND – CRONULLA
HS67 (Pass.) will depart Sydney Terminal 1408 hours, M pass Illawarra Junction 1413 XI, Erskineville Junction 1415, Sydenham 1418, Wolli Creek Junctions 1421, Hurstville 1429, Mortdale 1432, Sutherland 1444 XB, Gymea 1449, Caringbah 1455, arrive Cronulla 1500 hours, forms HS68 1530 hours.
Reversal at Cronulla: HS67 will shunt and reverse to form HS68
HS67: Arrives from the Main Line and runs via Loop to Platform Road Southern Extension.
De-trail passengers at Southern Extension of Platform.
Propel consist to Loop, clear of Platform Road Pints.
Uncouple locomotive and run onto Southern Extension of Platform.
Once 308G departs at 1513 hours, reverse locomotive via Loop to Sydney end of cars.
Re-couple locomotive and propel from Loop to Platform road southern Extension.
HS68: Entrain passengers and depart from Platform Road Southern Extension, runs via Loop to main Line.
TIMETABLE FOR PASSENGER TRAINS
CRONULLA – SUTHERLAND – SYDNEY TERMINAL
HS68 (Pass.) (Tender first maximum speed 40 km/h) will depart Cronulla 1530 hours, pass Caringbah 1537, Gymea 1543, XM, Sutherland 1549, Mortdale 1602, I, Hurstville 1606, Wolli Creek Junctions 1618, Sydenham 1623, Erskineville Junction 1627, XM Illawarra Junction 1629, arrive Sydney Terminal 1635 hours terminate and stable.
TIMETABLE FOR STEAM LOCOMOTIVE AND SERVICE VEHICLE
SYDNEY TERMINAL – EVELEIGH
HS69 (Steam locomotive 3642 engine first and SWT service vehicle – maximum speed 80 km/h) will depart arrive Sydney Terminal 1740 hours, UM – ED, Eveleigh arrive 1748 hours, stable.
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NSWGR 3827
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:15 pm
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Stabling at Eveleigh, didn't think the RTM needed Eveleigh?
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:13 pm
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Love to go and see her on the Cronulla Branch but can't go due to work related things.
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Bwana
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:40 am
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Post deleted in an attempt to get this thread back on topic. If you're really keen to hear my opinion, it's been quoted repeatedly in this thread anyway.
Last edited by Bwana on Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:07 pm; edited 1 time in total
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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:15 pm
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Slow trip back from Cronulla, wot? Won't see much sun on the front of the loco either, maybe a little from Sutherland to Cronulla in the morning and into Hurstville in the arvo. Ideally, I'd like to see the loco turned in town between trips so that it could run both directions once the right way round.
Cue the howls of disapproval at my ingratitude. 
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simont141
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:08 pm
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| FieldShunt74 wrote: |
Cue the howls of disapproval at my ingratitude. |
You should be grateful that you get to see main line line steam at all! 
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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:50 pm
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| simont141 wrote: | | You should be grateful that you get to see main line line steam at all! |
Oh, I am, indeed. But not to the point that I feel unable to express an opinion or regret the angle of the winter sun. Obviously I don't subscribe to the school of thought that I should be eternally and unquestioningly grateful for something that someone else is doing because they want to. No one runs steam trains simply to please me and I don't restrict my thoughts and words simply to please tour operators or their adherents.
Notice too that I said "Ideally" in my previous post. I understand why they are doing it way way they are and sympathise with the realities involved.
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Bwana
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:00 pm
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The loco pretty muchg has to go tender first in one direction, it's simply too far from Cronulla to any chance to turn it around. Times are tight as it is without turning it unnecessarily. I see your point FS, but really they have to cater for bums on seats, which are their bread and butter, before they worry about the photographers that, for the most part, don't contribute at all to the running of the train.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:18 pm
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Would be interesting to see steam running on a line that not only I am very familiar with (working it often, as I do), but AFAIK one that doesn't have a history of ever having regularly run steam services (please correct me if I'm mistaken).
If I'm recalling my history correctly, the Cronulla branch has only been operated by EMUs from its opening in 1939.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:34 pm
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Interesting - I have only travelled on the Cronulla branch once, back in February 2007 on a Tangara. Might give me an excuse to go back, and also to record it's last days as a single track line 
Particularly interesting IMO as it is a chance to see a steamer on a "spark only" line which rarely, if ever sees diesels. Now all that is needed is to run some kind of specia train to Carlingford, not sure how they could path it between CityRail services with the axle counters down of Rosehill. Would be interesting to see a heritage train to Richmond too.
Which way would the sun be facing on the Cronulla branch at this time of year? 
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dalts 1985
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:05 pm
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Well, this shouldn't be the only time this year "The Shire" as it's affectionately known, sees steam in action on the branch...
Steam should visit "The Shire" at least once more this year, after the THE SOUTHERN SHORES LIMITED™ - Saturday, August 2 after this event, this year if things go to plan...
COASTAL STEAMER RAIL & SAIL™ - Saturday, November 22: Sail one way to Cronulla by sea - the other by steam train with loco 3642
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:39 pm
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| Bwana wrote: | | NSWGR 3827 wrote: | | Stabling at Eveleigh, didn't think the RTM needed Eveleigh? |
Any chance the RTM may, in some long-distant future, be able to do exactly what the detractors WANT to see heritage rail do without the same, boring old line being pulled out by some hate-filled smart@rse? |
The NSWRTM has quite often, in many spaces, both unofficially and officially since 2006 expressed it's disinterest in using the Eveleigh site for the servicing and stabling of it's trains. Why it continues to use the site is a mystery (well it isn't really), and such opinions deserve to be aired.
Post Edited to remove claims that RTM is trying to "get rid of 3801Ltd". If you can show me where they've said that, you're more than welcome to reinstate them. Till then, it's flamebait and they're going. - KRviator.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:10 pm
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Just for the sake of putting some sanity into this before it gets  . Can I put the case up that has RTM are laying over from this tour to that running on Sunday it is possible that RailCorp Train Planning have made this arrangement and it is not the RTM at all. Rather than having the cars standing over at Sydney Terminal or Regent Street overnight.
I am not saying that is correct or incorrect. Just putting a rational scenario out there. We should also remember that the Main South is shut too until 0200 Monday 4th August 
This is not the thread, nor is any thread for that matter, for another RTM v 3801 war
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simont141
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:37 pm
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| FieldShunt74 wrote: | | simont141 wrote: | | You should be grateful that you get to see main line line steam at all! |
Oh, I am, indeed. But not to the point that I feel unable to express an opinion or regret the angle of the winter sun. Obviously I don't subscribe to the school of thought that I should be eternally and unquestioningly grateful for something that someone else is doing because they want to. No one runs steam trains simply to please me and I don't restrict my thoughts and words simply to please tour operators or their adherents.
Notice too that I said "Ideally" in my previous post. I understand why they are doing it way way they are and sympathise with the realities involved. |
It's all good ... I'm just jealous, that's all
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:05 pm
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Looks my trip up to work on this tour will have an interesting senic side trip thanks to all S'thern CLK XPT Services this wkend running via Moss Vale - Robertson - Unanderra - Lunagong  - Hurstville - Wolli Crk - Central
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South - between Liverpool - Moss Vale all south XPT services will operate via Wollongong and not stop at Strathfield delays of up to 90 minutes are expected. Passengers may join replacement coaches from Strathfield or Campbelltown and travel to Moss Vale and join the XPT at Moss Vale. Passengers booking to Campbelltown will leave the train at Moss Vale and join a coach to Campbelltown only. All Canberra and Griffith services are replaced by road coach services for the entire journey. |
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