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Bruiser
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MR-DUCK
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:52 pm
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Got my 2 this afternoon........FANTASTIC.
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macey
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:59 pm
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Care to post a photo or two? I would love to see what they look like.
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anzac1959
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:04 pm
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This must be the lowest key arrival of any loco, i have seen locos on youtube the day they arrive
.I havent received mine either and would like to see one and hear one aswell What is the sound like?
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a6et
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:29 pm
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| anzac1959 wrote: | This must be the lowest key arrival of any loco, i have seen locos on youtube the day they arrive
.I havent received mine either and would like to see one and hear one aswell What is the sound like? |
The sound is very accurate, although the exhaust seems too sharp for a 35 as they were more muffled than other engines. Compressor is correct, so is the whistle. It runs exceptionally well & looks very good. There are sadly a few bloopers, some not really noticeable whilst a couple are noticeable. One is a biggy.
Despite this it is a huge leap from the 36, & is a very nice model, although it has the same problems as the 36 had with haulage capacity.
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David Peters
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:39 pm
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Anyone care to elaborate on the so called bloopers!
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The opinions expressed by my me in these posts is not the opinion of the N.R.M. and should not be construed as such.
Ferroequinologist and Microferroequinologist.
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a6et
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:53 pm
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| David Peters wrote: | | Anyone care to elaborate on the so called bloopers! |
David, I could elaborate, but will hold back to see the main reviews of it.
Let me say this though. I really consider the model, bloopers included or aside to be a very high Quality one, the overall detail is excellent, general features such as whistle, old style Ramsbottom safety valve, dynamo is top rate the best I have yet seen. There are some other very nice features that far outwiegh any of the other couple of things.
At the end of the day, sometimes the drawings that are used to make the model are only as good as their accuracy & the details that are shown on it. In saying that, there are some items that are not shown on a well known drawing of the 35, that were actually on the locomotive, thus its not on the model.
As a consequnce, who then is at fault?
In saying that, I am sure that almost every model that comes out its possible to find issues with them. Some people can find ones that others can't. & as a person who worked on the 35cl it is noticeable to me, but maybe not for others.
So what I am saying is simple, none of this spoils the model, yes, there are things that could have been better but, I would have no hesitation in buying more of them, I would also highly reccomend them. I would not say that for other models.
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MR-DUCK
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:02 pm
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I agree with a6et ,the 35 is a huge step up from the 36, I am dying to know what the bloopers are. Suppose we will all have to wait for the reveiw. 
" MORE TRACTIVE EFFORT BOYS"
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a6et
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:39 pm
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| MR-DUCK wrote: | | I agree with a6et ,the 35 is a huge step up from the 36, I am dying to know what the bloopers are. Suppose we will all have to wait for the reveiw. |
Guys. Take it easy on this. Whilst I could in may ways easily give out the areas of little & one biggy, I would really rather see an official review of it.
John Eassie ensures that the AMRM has a model of his products pretty quick, & as such I think they more than likely have one already & a review will be in the next edition, in preperation for Hurstville. I think those who are charged with the review & I have no idea who they are, will bring them out.
The thing is though, the overall model & its quality certainly overides any of these issues. & I would think that any others who see the model, or have it may already have picked them up.
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Teditor
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:49 pm
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My god, imagine all the negative speculation that's going to crop up now!
They put Blomberg trucks under the tender, no - not a Geisel ejector, having also worked on 'a' 35 class, does the model simulate the pulling of the fire when wheel slip occurs and hence no power.
Please - don't mention mistakes unless they can be aired!
Teditor.
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a6et
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:30 pm
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| Teditor wrote: | My god, imagine all the negative speculation that's going to crop up now!
They put Blomberg trucks under the tender, no - not a Geisel ejector, having also worked on 'a' 35 class, does the model simulate the pulling of the fire when wheel slip occurs and hence no power.
Please - don't mention mistakes unless they can be aired!
Teditor. |
Ted, is this any worse then the TOR 49cl fuel tank issue, when some people went hypo over that. & it was what I was hopefull of avoiding. In the end, the few bloopers are mostly easily remedied by any reasonable modeller, the sorrow is, that there are some things that should not have happened. & I question the plans once again.
I originally mentioned some in cab things that you would not see in the model on a layout, so that may not be a worry to most, but can be seen as being wrong. Remember when you were on the job, the fire box door flaps, were they open or shut when working. & was there a firebox door? What sort of hand brake was on them, remember moving wrongly & getting the rod part up under the arm pit, & what was the ease of shovelling, how far did you have to bend to the shovelling plate. did the reversing rod, link up to the cab? How did you get up to hit the dynamo with the coal pick, when it would not work, what was needed to get up on the top of the firebox. Rough join on cylinders. (thats a factory problem)
Unfortunatley I found that it did not haul the same load as a Analogue 36cl did. Some xtra wieght may help, but will be hard to find room compared to the 36.
For the good bits is decent regulator arm, it has a screw, beautifully molded, whistle, dynamo, safety valves (already mentioned) a wonderfully screw lnk coupling on the front buffer beam.
Seperate side window glazing that can be glued inside the cab, to represent the windows shut, which you only had in cold & wet conditions, or you could snip them in half for a parially open window. a nice non blue headlight, exceptionally quiet running, excellent & correct sound, smooth acceleration & even at speed step one, it starts to move.
So much so, that when you first start the train there is cylinder cock sound by default. By slow single step increase of the speed one step at a time, you get the slow start & exhaust, with the cylinder cocks at a realistic rating, for about 2 engine lengths or it gets to a set speed.
There is a well done QSI sound stapled booklet that will not fall to pieces, a large instruction sheet with a breakdown of the parts.
For those modelling specific era's & that includes me, which the model actually suits me, is that there is only the short cut away over the slide bar & piston rod, which was eventually totally removed from around circa 1963. So it is good for that earlier period.
Far & above the few problems, for mine it sits on par with any Australian RTR steam loco produced today. & if we asses it that way, then Austrains are on a winner with it. Ohh, if only the 36cl was redone to this standard. Or at least you could get the accessories for it.
I believe this, the 35 will be IMHO, assesed on what is to come, & again IMHO, it will be the TOR 32 cl that will set the level of assesment & parrallels given. Much of that will be based on the finer items that are announced on the 32, that being the fire irons, weather curtains, a fully detailed back head, die cast & gear linked to each of the driving wheels. Which are not evident on the 35.
The Eureka 38's also will be similarly assesed when they finally get here.
As for the pulling of the fire, I never had it happen to me, & I did work them on quite a few occassions, & to me, in the hands of drivers experienced with them, & on the alert, it was rare. I was thankful that I had some good instructions from Broadmeadow drivers, on passenger & the express empty concentrate wagons, also on 420 meat express.
I would think that like any model, you could simulate a steam problem on any model with a motor burn out & that would stop you pretty quick.
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jd4980
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:18 pm
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Ted, is this any worse then the TOR 49cl fuel tank issue, when some people went hypo over that. |
......and this is the same issue Colin, if its wrong its wrong, doesn't mater how bad or minor the error or oversight, or whose to blame for such, the point is if there is an error present, ignoring it won't make it go away, nor will having a shot at those interested in more detail on the subject change anything either.
That said i'm glad they are a step up from the 36's and would agree this would have to be one of the most low key releases in history. There aren't even any photo's on Austrains own website. Based on what i've read i'm looking forward to receiving my 2.
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MR-DUCK
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:37 pm
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I am just wondering when more ppl obtain there 35s, if anyone will bother to change the front screw link coupling to a KD. I will leave mine the way it is. I long ago converted a S truck to a cover wagon. 
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DQ2004
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:30 pm
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| jd4980 wrote: | | That said i'm glad they are a step up from the 36's and would agree this would have to be one of the most low key releases in history. There aren't even any photo's on Austrains own website. Based on what i've read i'm looking forward to receiving my 2. |
It has been an unbelievably low key release. The Y's weren't exactly given a plug on Rove either.
It's funny given that when the C35's were first proposed & Austrains asked for expressions of interest (of which I was one) and then it was cancelled due to insufficient interest. Yet in just 4-5 years time suddenly it's regarded as viable and yet you would think it wouldn't be much more over the line in that time.
Despite this alleged marginal return model there's been little effort to promote it. Strange. However, you would think that anyone who bought a Garratt, C36 or a C32 will buy a C35, so I'm sure they'll sell.
Obviously Mr Eassie is confident of same.
Hopefully mine'll arrive on Monday too. I'll post piccies as soon as able since no one else has.
Many regards,
Toby
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a6et
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:34 am
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| jd4980 wrote: | | a6et wrote: |
Ted, is this any worse then the TOR 49cl fuel tank issue, when some people went hypo over that. |
......and this is the same issue Colin, if its wrong its wrong, doesn't mater how bad or minor the error or oversight, or whose to blame for such, the point is if there is an error present, ignoring it won't make it go away, nor will having a shot at those interested in more detail on the subject change anything either.
That said i'm glad they are a step up from the 36's and would agree this would have to be one of the most low key releases in history. There aren't even any photo's on Austrains own website. Based on what i've read i'm looking forward to receiving my 2. |
jd980. You are calling me by a name, yet you hide behind your tag, now I don't mind that. But, if people on RP like to be known by their taggs, why should others reveal it, when they don't reveal their own name or tag?
If you can answer that in a manner that is reasonable, & reveal your name then I am quite prepared to put out in total what my views & illustrate what I see with the model.
In saying this, there has been so many threads- posts & whatevers over this sort of thing in the past, more especially wanting to bring out ONLY the problem areas. As was the case with the 49cl fuel tanks. No one took into account that the fuel tanks were interchangeable across the fleet & that had happened, in operational life, nor acknowledged it when pointed out,
Yet another person, was hell bent on having ALL models produced ONLY as per delivery of them, not taking into account modifciations. Such as with 4401 in its Goodwins publicity photo showing all 3 air horns facing forward, but one its first trial run, photo's clearly show 2 of the trumpets facing to the rear.
Now I said there were some things with the 35, & couple of bloopers but, I also chose to highlight the areas in which the model excels. With the fact that they far surpass the other the wrong things, which I might add was not the case with the 49 fuel tank thingy.
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