Freight bypass.

Wilfy2007 · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:12 am

Gidday,

Could somebody tell me the name of the group in Victoria that is lobbying for the Freight bypass for Double stacking of container Freight. This bypass is supposed to be from outside Melbourne to Broken Hill so that container freight can go to Perth, Darwin and Sydney from double stacked with no impediments.

The Mitcham Council in South Australia has also been lobbying for a bypass from Murray Bridge to Mallala.

Any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Wilfy 2007

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NottaGunzel · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:18 am

NO

SPSD40T2 · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:30 am

are you referring to the Inland railway proposal ?

Wilfy2007 · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:53 pm

tom9876543 · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:31 pm

Could someone explain what the current problem with double stacked freight is?

Does someone have a list of bridges etc that prevent double stacked freight travelling through victoria?

Deep Throat · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:42 pm

From where to where?

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wongm · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:01 pm

From 'Fremantle Junction' (Tottenham) westward, I can think of possible obstructions...

- Geelong Road, Brooklyn
- Melbourne Road, Newport
- Various overhead stanchions at Champion Road
- Princes Freeway, Laverton
- Forsyth Road (should be okay)
- Princes Freeway, Corio (the old bridge, the 2 new ones are fine
- Separation Street, North Geelong
- Geelong Bypass is okay
- Hill Street, Batesford (possibly)
- Midland Highway, Gheringhap
- Various wooden overbridges between Gheringhap and Inverleigh (at least 2)

I haven't checked out the line past there, so someone else would need to jump in.

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witsend · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:15 pm

Just briefly in Victoria:
Freight Bridge over Yarra, Dynon
Bunbury Street Tunnel, Footscray
Footscray Railway Station, Footscray
Princes Highway, Geelong (near North Shore)

In SA:
Dukes Highway Bridges @ Bordertown, Tintinara, Tailem Bend
Rail Bridge at Murray Bridge
Tunnel at Murray Bridge
Yantaringa Tunnel
Freeway Bridge at Bridgewater
Avenue Rd, Stirling (Mt Lofty)
Upper Sturt Tunnel
National Park Tunnel
National Park Entrance, Belair
Upper Sturt Road Bridge, Belair
- (Shepard Hill Tunnel was built with Electrification in mind), Eden Hills
Sleeps Hill Tunnel, Panorama
Springbank Rd Bridge, Clapham
Future Overhead Wires from Suburban Electricification, Millswood
Tram Overpass, Goodwood
Anzac Highway Bridge, Keswick
Port Rd Bridge, Thebarton

Miscellaneous Signal Gantries (ie Approach to Belair, Adelaide End; Mt Lofty Loop, Melbourne End, etc.)

Anyone want to fill in the Victorian side of the border?

Regards,

Samuel Wittwer
Member - LC of Yorke Peninusula Rail

tom9876543 · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:56 pm

Thanks for the lists. Silly me didn't consider SA. I didn't realise how many tunnels there are in SA.

I would have thought the problem of low bridges etc exists in Sydney as well?

Upgrading all standard guage tracks in Australia to allow double stacked freight isn't going to happen....

witsend · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:29 pm

And don't forget, in NSW, Overhead Wiring Smile

You need a clearance of 6.6M (I think) to clear a double stacked well wagon. I think the OHW is about 4.4m from rail head. All machinery has to be capped to work at a maximum of 3.4m whilst working in the rail corridor. The RISI course clarifys that "Thou shalt not be within 1m of the Overhead Wire" (not the official wording by any means but is a good to guide to go with. Consult [url="http://www.railsafe.org.au"]Railsafe.org.au[/url] to clarify and get the official word.

If you want to look at the ARTC Bridges and Structures guide (TA02 Appendix 6), [url="http://www.artc.com.au/library/TA02a6.pdf"]Click here[/url]

It appears I forgot the Long Gully Tunnel, and a few other things.

Regards,

Samuel Wittwer
Member - LC of Yorke Peninusula Rail

witsend · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:51 pm

The maximum height for any double stacked train is 6300mm (6.3m) according to the ARTC Network Interface Co-ordination Plan - TA02 along the Adelaide - Parkeston Corridor (and also from Tarcoola - Darwin according to an old ARG guide).

Adelaide to Melbourne Trains have a height maximum height of 4250mm (4.25m).
Melbourne to Albury Trains have a height maximum height of 4150mm (4.15m).

Regards,

Samuel Wittwer
Member - LC of Yorke Peninusula Rail