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Comeng Gunzel
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:09 am
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| http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24213962-952,00.html wrote: | Queensland tilt train drivers exposed to gas risk
Peter Morley
August 21, 2008 12:00am
TILT train crews have been issued with gas masks after a driver of the 160km/h passenger express collapsed because of carbon monoxide poisoning.
The train drivers' union claimed yesterday gas leaks in the diesel locomotives had been happening for some time and warned that crew and passengers were in jeopardy until the leaks were stopped.
Drivers have threatened to stop the train immediately if they detect gas leaks.
When the driver collapsed on the south-bound train the co-driver took over but he too became violently ill when he stopped at Ingham. |
What do you think? Is QR's maintenance on the Cairns Tilt Train's power cars not up to scratch? Have you been put off travelling on QR Traveltrain because of this?
Or is this just another media beat-up from the Courier Mail?
" The trains at Pennant Hills run roughly every half hour. Nobody in their right mind uses a service that shoddy. That so many do just proves how many dumb and/or desperate people there are in Sydney." - MrPC
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Shadowrunner
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:43 am
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I think it's a load of something you don't want to step in. Honestly, I have never smelt anything out of the ordinary on the tilt train, and if there was a fuel leak, it would be a SERIOUS problem.
Just because one person fainted shouldn't mean that there is much wrong with the train. But of course, if there is a leak, the last thing you want to do is keep the train in service.
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ShowMeTheMoney
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:59 am
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| Shadowrunner wrote: | | I have never smelt anything out of the ordinary on the tilt train, and if there was a fuel leak, it would be a SERIOUS problem. |
We are talking Carbon Monoxide. The only possible way a person can detect it is with detection equipment or when said person starts to get light headed, nausea and starting to fall asleep.
I know what it feels like, as I have been lucky using a LPG 3 ring camping gas burner in an enclosed carport (No door) on a still night. I realised in time and turned it off and got out. There is no noticeable smell at all.
This story could have implications linked to previous crash of the tilt train.
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chris1985
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:25 am
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Not sure if its linked to this one but the other week the tilt was stopped at gordonvale station while they had to shut down one of the engines on the return leg from cairns back to brissy. Made a hirrible smell as it passed me.
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3foot6
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:28 am
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Naturally, the media attach a photo of the Electric Tilt Train.
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bulldozed
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:52 am
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Oh yeah, gotta bring down all of 'em!
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:15 am
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CO takes the place of O2 in the blood and I think actually is more attracted to the red blood cells, making recovery slow. Yes it has no odour and people usually just fall asleep, although out of a diesel engine I thought it would have other smells with it.
I would have thought if QR issued masks, they would also fit the cabin with or give the guys a CO meter. I also wonder if its really a CO issue or a CO2 issue. The later is more likely as this is the major component of the emissions, this and water. CO2 and CO have similar effects, but I think you recover faster from CO2 as it doesn't stick to your red blood cells. I thought the CO from a diesel engine should be less than 1% if this much.
On the safety for the pax side I cannot see how the pax are at risk because if the drivers were to pass out, the dead man/ATP would kick in. I mean thats whats its for, if the driver fails to respond for what ever reason.
Another reason they should have wired to T'ville and built more RTT's.
Yes, I'd catch the CTT tomorrow as from the passengers view, its not a risk from the info I've seen.
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Shane
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beauyboy
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:55 pm
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If and I state "IF" this is occuring it is serious and needs to be corrected on the Flagship of QR's diesel Fleet.
Can someone correct me does ATP protect against a train exceeding the speed limit when changing tracks on points? eg 160 thru 50 changing to the siding!
This is where I see the main risk!
Donald
PS no this issue will deter me from catching the Diesel Tilt
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Trenton
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:29 pm
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Time to take Canaries on train trips. 
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petey3801
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:32 pm
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Can someone correct me does ATP protect against a train exceeding the speed limit when changing tracks on points? eg 160 thru 50 changing to the siding!
This is where I see the main risk!
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AFAIK, Yes. The signal indication would show the turnout indication, which would pass onto the ATP reciever which would not allow the driver to exeed the speed for the crossover onto the loop.
Open to correction on that though 
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bundyfowler
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:05 pm
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Can someone correct me does ATP protect against a train exceeding the speed limit when changing tracks on points? eg 160 thru 50 changing to the siding!
This is where I see the main risk!
AFAIK, Yes. The signal indication would show the turnout indication, which would pass onto the ATP reciever which would not allow the driver to exeed the speed for the crossover onto the loop.
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Yes, that is how it works. In full ATP territory the vigilance is not functional so reliance is on ATP to pull the train up if drivers are disabled.
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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:30 pm
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That the ATP will save the train in the event that the driver is gassed by his locomotive must be a real comfort to the crews. Gas masks? Bugger that, if it's got a problem, ban the thing until it's fixed.
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QR-INTERAIL
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:54 am
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| Trenton wrote: | | Time to take Canaries on train trips. |
PRICELESS! 
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barny
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:36 pm
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| Shadowrunner wrote: | | I think it's a load of something you don't want to step in. Honestly, I have never smelt anything out of the ordinary on the tilt train, and if there was a fuel leak, it would be a SERIOUS problem. |
Why would a fuel leak be aserious problem
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3foot6
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:55 am
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| barny wrote: | | Shadowrunner wrote: | | I think it's a load of something you don't want to step in. Honestly, I have never smelt anything out of the ordinary on the tilt train, and if there was a fuel leak, it would be a SERIOUS problem. |
Why would a fuel leak be aserious problem |
Are you being serious? I can think of numerous reasons as to why a fuel leak is a serious problem. Heat ... Fuel ... Fire ... Burning ... Passengers ... Loss of life ...
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