Stored Cars in Newport?

 
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The BW seemed to be the first to go, followed by the E car, and a ZD guards van yesterday. The 'dirty work' appears to be happening close to the tarp shop, hidden behind the lineup of wagons along the Werribee line.

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  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
One look at that shot of 64BW should tell you why it's being scrapped. The roof is stuffed, so I suspect there would be alot of internal water damage as well.

As for the rest of it, well not everything can be saved and IMHO limited resources available would be much better spent on maintaining all the other W and E cars that have been restored or are in fair condition. It's good to see that some of the I wagons will be retained.

I strongly disagree with 574M's comments. The fact that I, RY and GY wagons were so ubiquitous means that they should be preserved. If a group is attempting to preserve a representitive history of railways in this state, how can they do that without examples of the most common types of rollingstock. I think the preservation of common wagons such as these is *more* important than saving some of the one offs.
  639 Chief Commissioner

What is happening with the tarp shops once SRV have cleared their stuff?
  cookie930 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Spencer Street Station (Not SCS)
What is happening with the tarp shops once SRV have cleared their stuff?
"639"


I believe its being turned into stabling for more trains.
  639 Chief Commissioner

Are the buildings being demolished?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
No, they are protected.
  wongm GEEWONG
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Wonder who got 27C?
  639 Chief Commissioner

No, they are protected.
"TheRev"


That is good to hear.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
No, they are protected.
"TheRev"


That is good to hear.
"639"
No, they're actually being flattened as far as I am aware.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
To add, RY819, previously marked for death has now been saved it appears.
  639 Chief Commissioner

The following buildings are heritage listed

Building 12 Central Block Stores Extensions

Building 13 Central Block Stores

Building 14 Central Block Offices & Clock Tower

Building 15 Engine Balancing Tables Building including the Henry Pooley & Son Ltd Engine Balancing Tables and associated equipment

Building 20 Casualty Room

Building 31 Timber Store

Building 32 Timber Shed

Building 34 Plating Shop

Building 61 Tarpaulin Shop

Building 63 Spring Shop Extension

Building 64 West Block including:

East Engine and Boiler House

West Engine and Boiler House

Chimney Base

Parts of Building 65 West Block (Southern Extension), including:

Boiler Shop Extension

Fitting Shop Extension

South of Fitting Shop Extension

Hydraulic Riveter Shop

South of Hydraulic Riveter Shop

Smithy Annexe

Westinghouse Brake Shop

Truck Building Yard

Blacksmiths Extension

Machine Shop Extension

Building 67 Water Tower

Parts of Building 68 East Block (Southern Extension), including

Paint Shop Extension

Carriage Shop Extension

Laboratory

Building 69 East Block

Building 70 East Block Engine, Boiler House and Chimney

Building 71 East Block Lavatory

Building 72 Transport Office

(Building numbers are those used in the Heritage Study of Newport Workshop 1888-1988 by C and MJ Doring Pty Ltd.)

2. All the extant plant, works, objects and machinery associated with the former use of the above buildings, with particular emphasis on the following items of plant:

Plant No. 1607 Campbell Sloss & McCann overhead travelling rope-driven crane;

1623 Kirkstall mechanical crane;

2337 Kirkstall steam hammer;

2106 Sawmill steam engines A and B, boiler, and associated

sub-floor power transmission system;

ZZ20 Patterns and Pattern records;

ZZ14 Weighbridge;

2623 Punch & Shear machine (Bevan & Edwards);

2402 (3 hammers), 2403 (2 hammers) Drop hammers;

2302, 2344 (2) Steam hammers, swaging;

ZZ17 Steam hammers, medium;

2627 Punch & Shear machine;

ZZ18 Hearth and tongs;

2621 Spring steel punch & shear machine;

ZZ11 Paint mixing plant comprising 2 Torrence edge runner mills, white lead mixer and 2 pigment grinders;

3902 Horse hair teasing machine.

(Plant numbers are those used in the Heritage study of Newport Workshops 1888-1988 by C and MJ Doring Pty Ltd.)

3. All the land shown on Diagram No.1000 held by the Executive Director being part land described as Lot 2 on Plan of Subdivision 301362M on Certificate of Title Vol. 10094 Folio 15.


http://vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au/vhd/heritagevic#detail_places;11566
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Has anyone actually been getting photos of the rollingstock being scrapped? It seems like you could get some shots from the TAFE college next door.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
What is the old saying, a job worth doing is a job you do yourself. Laughing

So far a big upright steel tank has been cut up, and one blue wooden pass car is in a number of chunks.

[img]http://images.fotopic.net/yvf20b.jpg[/img]

[img]http://images.fotopic.net/yvf2wu.jpg[/img]

The full series are here:
http://wongm.fotopic.net/c1588163.html
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton


The full series are here:
http://wongm.fotopic.net/c1588163.html
"wongm"


Hey, Marcus, I went to have a look at your Hitachi Transfer album earlier tonight and all the pics came up 'not available'... Shocked
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

I am glad I went down to Newport last Satuday and took a few photos, after seeing Marcus' efforts.

The blue carriage was 32MT, seen here with the frame of 69BW last Satrday.
[bigimg]http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/VBAndy/Newport%20photos/S7301720.jpg[/bigimg]

A real shame that one, I'm sure DSCR could have stored 32MT for future restoration... hindsight and all that I suppose.

I assume 69BW's frame has been chomped too? Or simply moved?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Has anyone actually been getting photos of the rollingstock being scrapped? It seems like you could get some shots from the TAFE college next door.
"wongm"


I ran around with the camera couple of weeks ago and got everything. Some of them are viewable on the SRV Gallery, but they all on my hard drive at the moment.

Got a few other pics as things disapear into Rollingstock Heaven.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Shame to see these cars scrapped, where Mornington, Healsville, Maldon & South Gippsland Railway offered these cars?
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

Would they wan't them to begin with? Some items, such as the MT...should have been saved. Not all of them are unique or overly signifigant, so not all need to be saved. However the MT for example was somewhat signifgant being one of very few left. (is there any others?)

In a world where money is endless then yes of course save them all, but this is not the case. So transport costs and what not would more than likely rule out most TR's desire to secure an item and save it from the scrappers torch.

Theres a guards van there, 590Z. This van has a signifgance as being part of the break down train, to date all rollingstock still exists. So I hope this item is not one that will be chomped?
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
Would they wan't them to begin with? Some items, such as the MT...should have been saved. Not all of them are unique or overly signifigant, so not all need to be saved. However the MT for example was somewhat signifgant being one of very few left. (is there any others?
"VBAndy"


MT's 33 and 34 were also converted from VFW (AW/BW) cars, as per the Wikipedia article. But PJV's site doesn't give scrapping dates, so it's possible they are still around?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_type_carriage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT_type_cars
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
What is the old saying, a job worth doing is a job you do yourself. Laughing

The full series are here:
http://wongm.fotopic.net/c1588163.html
"wongm"


Thankyou for capturing this, history is history good or bad.

One thought I've had, when heritage railway items (stations, rolling stock etc) are past restoration, to take measurements of every part while its being dismantled. The official plans for anything more than a few decades old are pretty poor and inaccurate, and new plans would be a boom for the future (and any current restorations).

I'd also wonder the costs of using said plans + salvageable frame to rebuild the car from scratch, rather then the huge costs of moving a very fragile item by crane.
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
What is the old saying, a job worth doing is a job you do yourself. Laughing

The full series are here:
http://wongm.fotopic.net/c1588163.html
"wongm"


Thankyou for capturing this, history is history good or bad.

One thought I've had, when heritage railway items (stations, rolling stock etc) are past restoration, to take measurements of every part while its being dismantled. The official plans for anything more than a few decades old are pretty poor and inaccurate, and new plans would be a boom for the future (and any current restorations).

I'd also wonder the costs of using said plans + salvageable frame to rebuild the car from scratch, rather then the huge costs of moving a very fragile item by crane.
"fabricator"


With MT's 32-34 in particular, they were converted "long" AW cars. They were also BW's 71-79 and VFW's 1-9 at some point in their lives. Also, VFW 7 is at Canberra in their museum. The only difference between that and 32MT (assuming the VFW's in blue), is that the ?VFW is on Standard Gauge bogies.
  409 Minister for Railways

I hope no one minds if I interject a little bit. Earlier in this thread, it was noted that SZ coaches 281 and 284 were shunted out of the works. SZ 281 was originally Overland coach Allambi and was the first air conditioned coach built for the Overland by the SAR Islington Workshops in 1949. This coach has been spared for preservation by the National Railway Museum, Port Adelaide and will be transported back to SA and restored to it's original livery. If it doesn't quite meet NRM standards, 284 may also make the trek over apparently.

wongm, I draw your attention to this photo:
http://wongm.fotopic.net/p53938148.html

The coach behind the S car is one of only three Pullman heavy weight coaches (76t) imported to Australia from the US in 1925. These are not a locally customised version but stock standard from the Pullman catalogue and were intended for use in the Overland. From the 1950's onwards, the SAR sold sleeping coaches Mt Lofty and Macedon to the Commonwealth Railways retaining dining car Adelaide (now preserved at the NRM). These two sleepers were converted to standard gauge initially keeping their 6 wheel bogies which were later substituted for Commonwealth Steel 4 wheel bogies. They last saw their days on the Tea and Sugar train in the 1980s. It is still in the Australian National Railways silver paint from the 1980s.

Attached is a video from youtube of one of the cars in service on the Tea and Sugar around 1989/1990 (from 2:49 onwards).
  Knowitall Banned

Location: Banned
They may be listed does not mean something wont happen to them, If they are knocked to the ground before anyone clicks than to may just be too late,

Bring on the wrecking balls



The following buildings are heritage listed

Building 12 Central Block Stores Extensions

Building 13 Central Block Stores

Building 14 Central Block Offices & Clock Tower

Building 15 Engine Balancing Tables Building including the Henry Pooley & Son Ltd Engine Balancing Tables and associated equipment

Building 20 Casualty Room

Building 31 Timber Store

Building 32 Timber Shed

Building 34 Plating Shop

Building 61 Tarpaulin Shop

Building 63 Spring Shop Extension

Building 64 West Block including:

East Engine and Boiler House

West Engine and Boiler House

Chimney Base

Parts of Building 65 West Block (Southern Extension), including:

Boiler Shop Extension

Fitting Shop Extension

South of Fitting Shop Extension

Hydraulic Riveter Shop

South of Hydraulic Riveter Shop

Smithy Annexe

Westinghouse Brake Shop

Truck Building Yard

Blacksmiths Extension

Machine Shop Extension

Building 67 Water Tower

Parts of Building 68 East Block (Southern Extension), including

Paint Shop Extension

Carriage Shop Extension

Laboratory

Building 69 East Block

Building 70 East Block Engine, Boiler House and Chimney

Building 71 East Block Lavatory

Building 72 Transport Office

(Building numbers are those used in the Heritage Study of Newport Workshop 1888-1988 by C and MJ Doring Pty Ltd.)

2. All the extant plant, works, objects and machinery associated with the former use of the above buildings, with particular emphasis on the following items of plant:

Plant No. 1607 Campbell Sloss & McCann overhead travelling rope-driven crane;

1623 Kirkstall mechanical crane;

2337 Kirkstall steam hammer;

2106 Sawmill steam engines A and B, boiler, and associated

sub-floor power transmission system;

ZZ20 Patterns and Pattern records;

ZZ14 Weighbridge;

2623 Punch & Shear machine (Bevan & Edwards);

2402 (3 hammers), 2403 (2 hammers) Drop hammers;

2302, 2344 (2) Steam hammers, swaging;

ZZ17 Steam hammers, medium;

2627 Punch & Shear machine;

ZZ18 Hearth and tongs;

2621 Spring steel punch & shear machine;

ZZ11 Paint mixing plant comprising 2 Torrence edge runner mills, white lead mixer and 2 pigment grinders;

3902 Horse hair teasing machine.

(Plant numbers are those used in the Heritage study of Newport Workshops 1888-1988 by C and MJ Doring Pty Ltd.)

3. All the land shown on Diagram No.1000 held by the Executive Director being part land described as Lot 2 on Plan of Subdivision 301362M on Certificate of Title Vol. 10094 Folio 15.


http://vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au/vhd/heritagevic#detail_places;11566
"639"

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