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Narrow gauge NA12 derelict Newport

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libertyRS Junior Train Controller   Joined: Jan 20, 2007
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:53 pm
Hi
I was going through the thousands of photo's my dad took back when he was in his 20's and came across this. Happily this loco is in running order today!!

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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:06 pm
Neat find libertyRS. Thankfully this loco has been restored and returned to operational condition Smile Bless the PBR boys. Got anymore to show us?



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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:19 pm
There are hundreds of b/w and colour pics.. Here is an X class (?) ready for the cutters

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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:44 pm
Actually an N Class.
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:18 pm
One of the North British examples going by the plate on the smoke deflector.



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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:32 pm
Looks like 423 on the side of the headlight.
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David Peters Minister for Railways   Joined: Nov 29, 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:50 pm
Going by the cab windows etc, which appear to be boarded up, it could have been in storage, you would not board up windows etc on something about to be cut up!



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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:55 pm
In Victoria, locos were " stored pending instructions."
Board 'em up; they may be used again. If not, rip the boards off and cut 'em up.
I suspect this is a Newport N - I don't think its a North British plate on the smoke deflector; if it is, it's in an odd location. Could be some other form of mark - hard to tell, and I'll stand corrected if need be.



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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:00 pm
12A is currently under a major overhaul with the NAVY. Rumours have it the loco will come back in service as HMAS 12nA, completed in a Sea Navy Grey! Laughing



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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:06 pm
Valvegear wrote:
In Victoria, locos were " stored pending instructions."
Board 'em up; they may be used again. If not, rip the boards off and cut 'em up.
I suspect this is a Newport N - I don't think its a North British plate on the smoke deflector; if it is, it's in an odd location. Could be some other form of mark - hard to tell, and I'll stand corrected if need be.
It is a North British N. The builders plates were carried on the smoke deflector, beneath the small forward grab handle as seen on the picture. Early Newport N's had a shorter, stubbier funnel, as opposed to the NBL and later Newport built N's.The cab window arrangement is also different on the earlier Newport N's as well. Many were upgraded with the newer boiler though.



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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:18 pm
Valvegear wrote:
In Victoria, locos were " stored pending instructions."
Board 'em up; they may be used again. If not, rip the boards off and cut 'em up.
I suspect this is a Newport N - I don't think its a North British plate on the smoke deflector; if it is, it's in an odd location. Could be some other form of mark - hard to tell, and I'll stand corrected if need be.


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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:22 pm
574M wrote:
Valvegear wrote:
In Victoria, locos were " stored pending instructions."
Board 'em up; they may be used again. If not, rip the boards off and cut 'em up.
I suspect this is a Newport N - I don't think its a North British plate on the smoke deflector; if it is, it's in an odd location. Could be some other form of mark - hard to tell, and I'll stand corrected if need be.


What's behind it, then?

D3, I'd guess...



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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:32 pm
Definately a D3 behind it, the boiler in the background could be of another N class or J class.



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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:42 pm
Looks like N473; no date for scrapping is given on its history card. It was in fact, as Valvegear pointed out, stored pending instructions at Newport Shops on an unknown date. Very few locomotives emerged from being stored, quite often they would be scrapped off failing ABCDE exams. Bear in mind that an average overhaul would take over six months and if a steamer was being replaced by a diesel for a short life, they were quickly eliminated.

The locomotive was an Ararat engine for a large proportion of its life, which would explain the scale off the safety valve.

Looking at the D3 number on the headlight, that looks like 629 or 679. Unlike their contemporaries, the A2, many, many more D3's lasted until the 1960's.

D3 629 fits; starting life as DD 887. It was a Benalla and Seymour engine for most of its life, and taken off register on 26th September 1964, so most likely the shot was taken after this date. I don't have a record of either's scrapping date (if you have an identifiable picture of an A2, I can tell you when it was stored pending instructions and scrapped if that helps).

Doubtful it was D3 679. It had been scrapped by 1957; too early for this shot; the North British N's were too new.



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t_woodroffe Junior Train Controller   Joined: Aug 22, 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:09 am
According to the Head Office locomotive history cards N 473 was broken up at Newport on 7 September 1965 (corres RS65/9264) and D3 629 was also broken up at Newport on 26-9-64 (corres RS64/9381) . These dates are, of course, nominal.

The North British 2-8-2s and the trio built at Newport post WW2 were properly classed N(SG). Alone of all the nominally standard gauge convertible classes the VR prepared full drawings for conversion for the N(SG). In fact the design began as a standard gauge locomotive and then was converted to broad gauge.

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