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PI_Dash_9
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Joined: Jan 22, 2007 Last Visited: May 18, 2009 Location: Karratha, WA
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:43 pm
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| pilbara_sam wrote: | Yes I know those blokes well also. However they may whine and smeg, but we all do. As for running like cowards, that may not be the best phrase. I have just got off the phone to those two blokes and they have told me their side of the story. Now when someone tells me something, I then get the otherside of the story, which I do have.
Now due to what they have both been told and the assurances they were given, I do have to side with them. They have both been let down by the local & state team which is sad. They and many others want Rio to get what's coming to them, but everyone needs to be 100% honest and if that doesn't happen, then that can only undermine the trust one may or may not have in an organisation.
Now one particular bloke, who I know very well, is always up to a fight and is generally quite aggressive at that. He doesn't ever run, but doesn't like being lied to and I'm sure you can see his point. But as he has been shafted before from by a previous union, he is decidely brassed off with the way that the contiuous misdemenours were handeled........having leadership with concise direction and morals are important to him. Maybe JP needs to sit down with them and talk to them, explain to them what is happening in more detail, I dunno.
Putting in pespective the pointy end of the stick.......well I have been there before and I really hate to tell you this, we are from being anywhere near the pointy end. We have only just begun and previous experiences, it is going to get nasty, spiteful and will devide work mates, family and friends.
As for poor attendances at the meetings, well that seems to be a standard thing, all union meetings I ever attended usually had less that 20% of members. Look different people prioritise things differently and that's something you can't change, it's human nature.
Everyone else thinks that everyone else is going to go to the meetings and as you know that isn't the case. Also those who are still on AWA's are feeling a bit left out, as are some of the carmen who are members. Some feel that it's only about M/L Drivers. You and I know thats not the case. |
I am sorry if I have offended people, but I am union to the core and become annoyed when I think someone is a quitter. I just don't understand when people are not willing to stand up for themselves. You said it yourself "spiteful and will divide work mates, family and friends". I have seen some full on battles in the coal industry over the years and never saw this once, they stay together and back each other to the bitter end.
Anyway, I apologise to my workmates that I have offended once more and I will not mention this subject again.
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Wickham
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:57 pm
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See they had another strike this afternoon........
From all accords went quite well? I was out there earlier and heard everyones favourite supervisor 683!! so once could only assume all was under control......
Ah well i think you guys are making a good effort, but alot of us older guys wont join the union simply because of the smeg that went on with both Robe and HI in the 90's
Back then it was go on strike or you were outcast, although the issues back then were alot pettier than conditons, back then it was about food. HI being apples and packed lunches from memory and ROBE guys wanted more flavours of ice cream and more fillings in the sandwhiches. You think back and see how petty we really were and how much of a joke the union was back then.
There's alot of effort being made by certain people within the union but theres also alot of effort not being made by others and from what i've been told theres been more members leaving than joining...............
And talking to a "transport" driver today, was saying Head on Hendry had another incident something to do with going past an LOA, not familiar with the 7 mile yard but surely you wouldnt move unless told to do so? Ah well i would say he will be sent packing his bags.
Also sitting here at work now, see Sid is leaving. Although his replacement is not much better, let's bring someone in with no rail experience what so ever. Another smart move Rio But managed to create some new roles in the Process, "General Manager Rail Development" i mean for goodness sake how many other roles can be created? Surely there was a mainline supervisor/superintendant within rail that could have been promoted, this role should be an experience roll not a 'degree' roll another examply of how badly this company is run.
Whats next?
General Manager Toilet Paper Quality Assurance
Superintendant of Lawn Mowing?
Ah well........all i can say is good on the boys who are taking on the company, i find it amusing Rio makes out in all the business briefs that they are the ones being bullied yet they refuse to even come to the table.
Also heard a rumour, that ATO might be put on the back burner due to this 320 by 2012 not happening at the moment........can't see it being true as they want to get rid of as many drivers as they can.
Between the companys rediculous policys and these bloody contractors (namely skilled drivers who cant drive trains for smeg and are invading like ants) the company as a whole is just a circus and is run by clowns with degrees in something stupid.
I must say i like Sam Walsh's last brief to "drop him an email" about the CFMEU Industrial action....might ask him why they arent coming to the table? i mean isn't that the obvious thing to stop the strikes......well a normal person would think so anyway.
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cfmeuka
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:37 pm
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Thanks Wickham for the words of support and encouragement, it is greatly appreciated.
I have to clear something up though, we have only lost two members. Our membership continues to grow constantly, we now have over 120 members.
Regards,
JP
United We Bargain - Divided We Beg
It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Karratha Lodge: cfmeuka@tpg.com.au
PO Box 1221, Karratha, 6714
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:57 pm
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The 4hr stoppage went very well for a number of different reasons. The company thinks that it knows who our members are after the last couple of stoppages but what they fail to realise is that we grow daily and members AWA,s expire as the days roll past.They failed to cover a number of sign ons due to this fact!To the guys who walked off the job well done!!Thanks for your commitment and letting me take your photo.Wickham the has grown up and evolved a lot since tour day and I think you,d have to agree that the issues we,re struggling to resolve are a little more serious than those you mention.Be great to get the old school involved again give it some thought.ALL employees should bear inmind that you are a cost to the business and to remove you for the one off price of technology will always be the preference of any buisness.
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Wickham
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pilbara_sam
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:25 am
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| raildornan wrote: | | http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/forum/f40/riotinto-train-drivers-cfmeu-66609/#post1096814 |
Yeah
Well that forum is full of smegheads. I never realised how many gullible people there are in the world!
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cfmeuka
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:33 pm
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| pilbara_sam wrote: | | raildornan wrote: | | http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/forum/f40/riotinto-train-drivers-cfmeu-66609/#post1096814 |
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Well that forum is full of smegheads. I never realised how many gullible people there are in the world! |
I created an account on their forum and had a bit of a debate with some of these idiots, but I might as well have argued with a post. They have a complete biased point of view based entirely on jealously.
We shouldn't really expect anything different, this is the view that most people have had of train drivers since there has been train drivers.
It is amazing how gullible people will believe every word that is printed in the papers as gospel, yet when someone directly involved tells them the truth they won't listen.
We all know that it is just a propaganda war that is being staged by Rio Tinto to try and turn the public against us. It is all rubbish and we all need to hold our heads high in the knowledge that what we are doing is all above board, is fully transparent and is based on honesty, not based on lies like Rio's campaign.
Regards,
JP
United We Bargain - Divided We Beg
It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Karratha Lodge: cfmeuka@tpg.com.au
PO Box 1221, Karratha, 6714
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PI_Dash_9
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:21 pm
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| cfmeuka wrote: | | pilbara_sam wrote: | | raildornan wrote: | | http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/forum/f40/riotinto-train-drivers-cfmeu-66609/#post1096814 |
Yeah
Well that forum is full of smegheads. I never realised how many gullible people there are in the world! |
I created an account on their forum and had a bit of a debate with some of these idiots, but I might as well have argued with a post. They have a complete biased point of view based entirely on jealously.
We shouldn't really expect anything different, this is the view that most people have had of train drivers since there has been train drivers.
It is amazing how gullible people will believe every word that is printed in the papers as gospel, yet when someone directly involved tells them the truth they won't listen.
We all know that it is just a propaganda war that is being staged by Rio Tinto to try and turn the public against us. It is all rubbish and we all need to hold our heads high in the knowledge that what we are doing is all above board, is fully transparent and is based on honesty, not based on lies like Rio's campaign.
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I am not quite sure but I think it may be a web site for retarded people.
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cfmeuka
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:29 pm
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| PI_Dash_9 wrote: | | cfmeuka wrote: | | pilbara_sam wrote: | | raildornan wrote: | | http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/forum/f40/riotinto-train-drivers-cfmeu-66609/#post1096814 |
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Well that forum is full of smegheads. I never realised how many gullible people there are in the world! |
I created an account on their forum and had a bit of a debate with some of these idiots, but I might as well have argued with a post. They have a complete biased point of view based entirely on jealously.
We shouldn't really expect anything different, this is the view that most people have had of train drivers since there has been train drivers.
It is amazing how gullible people will believe every word that is printed in the papers as gospel, yet when someone directly involved tells them the truth they won't listen.
We all know that it is just a propaganda war that is being staged by Rio Tinto to try and turn the public against us. It is all rubbish and we all need to hold our heads high in the knowledge that what we are doing is all above board, is fully transparent and is based on honesty, not based on lies like Rio's campaign.
Regards,
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I am not quite sure but I think it may be a web site for retarded people. |
I probably shouldn't have said the things I did on their forum, they most likely hate unions more now. But like I said they didn't like us much anyway so it doesn't matter.
PI_Dash_9 you are right I too have a sneaky suspicion about this website.
United We Bargain - Divided We Beg
It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Karratha Lodge: cfmeuka@tpg.com.au
PO Box 1221, Karratha, 6714
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pilbara_sam
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:16 pm
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There have been top level meetings at 7mile today regarding the lack of work there for us. There will be changes with 2/3 weeks, so I have been informed, what those changes are..........well I guess we will have to wait and see.
Im sure all Skilled personel should have reason to be worried, very worried!
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cfmeuka
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:37 pm
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LEAN TIMES AHEAD
I have heard, (don't take this as gospel) we are cutting back to 9 trains a day. 7 Yandi and 2 other. I don't know if this is true but a couple of mines are actually going to be stopping production and going into caretaker mode. All projects that haven't started have been suspended, ROC, rail and yard expansions, no word on ATO. As I said I haven't heard any of this officially yet.
I don't like to scare people but I think this downturn has the potential to affect all of us not just contractors.
I read this morning that China intends spending over $A400b on rail and other projects to try and get things kick started again.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24551437-38197,00.html
Rail to the rescue again hey?
Anyway folks, good luck I know we will all come through this OK.
Besides, on the $210k we've been earning we should be all set to retire by now anyway.
Cheers,
JP
United We Bargain - Divided We Beg
It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Karratha Lodge: cfmeuka@tpg.com.au
PO Box 1221, Karratha, 6714
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:35 pm
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Will we really?
We will see!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wickham
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:44 pm
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I notice this thread has fallen very quiet and indeed the union boy's at work haven't said a word.
The only thing i have seen/heard from them is the email that was passed on to me by a colleague.
Funny that, Strikes which hurt the company 3 weeks ago would now help the company, save some money and resources. And really all the guys who lost money and went on strike it was all for nothing from what i have heard as Rio has not come to the table and never will.
Also for those not in the know the ENTIRE Iron Ore Operation's will shut down between 22nd December and Recommence on the 4th December. Rail Employee's are being forced to take leave across this period. So No trains for almost 12 Days.
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