Where's me Maryborough?

 
  woodford Chief Commissioner

How would the crewing work? Would a Ballarat driver take a taxi to Maryborough to drive the first up? Or would a driver be based at Maryborough and drive the morning up to city and take a Ballarat train back home then taxi?

Reverse for the evening train?
"Ballast_Plough"


From what I have seen the morning driver would drive a car to Maryborough and leave the  car in the car park the evening driver would drive the car back to Ballarat. This appears to be what was being done when the midday Albury train was terminating at Wangarratta though in this case I think they were coming up from Seymour. I am not sure of the exact details but the drivers were using a provided car to travel to and from the depot.

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  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

i train a day is just silly, like Echuca does nothing for the actual towns to promote people to travel there. needs to be like Swan Hill at least.

why does the afternoon train leave so early, especially on weekends.

will there be any connection buses to places like St Arnaud, like Mildura to Swan Hill?
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
The original picture in my head was that it would work like the Stony Point service.
Now it's turned out to be like Sydney-Canberra services...
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Creswick today
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Clunes
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  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
I always find it good to see work progressing. At least they've started work on Clunes pretty quickly.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I always find it good to see work progressing. At least they've started work on Clunes pretty quickly.
"hotdogpants1"


Only the works siding, That's all that has been done to date.

I guess Clunes station will get a platform extension and refurbishment, the station building would probably get a bit of a patch up (but won't be used) and a sealed carpark, bus stop, footpaths, etc.

But will It cost $17 million ?
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
I always find it good to see work progressing. At least they've started work on Clunes pretty quickly.
"hotdogpants1"


Only the works siding, That's all that has been done to date.

I guess Clunes station will get a platform extension and refurbishment, the station building would probably get a bit of a patch up (but won't be used) and a sealed carpark, bus stop, footpaths, etc.

But will It cost $17 million ?
"Nightfire"

That's minuscule compared to the $200m to extend to Cranbourne East. Rolling Eyes
As unusual as these costs sound, I'm just happy that we're on the the extremely long road to getting a small amount of our lines back.
Would anyone happen to know the comparison be between the time taken to build Seymour's 3rd platform, and Creswick's 2nd platform?

Cheers,
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The question was did the Vinelander or Sunraysia trains stop at stations between Ballarat &  Maryborough .  From 1981 they did not stop .
  712M Chief Commissioner

Creswick today
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"Nightfire"


That looks silly, why can they not slew the track or create a passing loop through to the existing platform?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
That looks silly, why can they not slew the track or create a passing loop through to the existing platform?
"712M"


Idea Just a tad too late for that now...BTW, passing loop = additional unnecessary expense.

Having been there for a good look, most of the town is on the northern, new platform side.
It's easier access to parking, kiss-and-ride & future bus connections on the new side and the track having been slewed away from the old platform appears to have a less acute angle on the upside curve, allowing for faster speeds in future express service operation.

Mike.
  woodford Chief Commissioner


Would anyone happen to know the comparison be between the time taken to build Seymour's 3rd platform, and Creswick's 2nd platform?

Cheers,
"hotdogpants1"


From memory Seymour platform 3 took a round 4 weeks over a two month period. The first work was constructing the steel work imedialty followed by the concreteing a bit of delay then fitting out the platform. I will check my photos to make sure. This timming would apply to all the new East line platforms (Avenel , euroa etc.) constructed as well.
The delay between the concreting and fitting out was very variable for instance Broadmedows STILL has not been fitted out inspite of the platform it self being finished months ago.

How long did Creswick take?

Woodford
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.

Would anyone happen to know the comparison be between the time taken to build Seymour's 3rd platform, and Creswick's 2nd platform?

Cheers,
"hotdogpants1"


From memory Seymour platform 3 took a round 4 weeks over a two month period. The first work was constructing the steel work imedialty followed by the concreteing a bit of delay then fitting out the platform. I will check my photos to make sure. This timming would apply to all the new East line platforms (Avenel , euroa etc.) constructed as well.
The delay between the concreting and fitting out was very variable for instance Broadmedows STILL has not been fitted out inspite of the platform it self being finished months ago.

How long did Creswick take?

Woodford
"woodford"

Thank you very much woodford. I'll keep this in observation until Creswick is finished.
Cheers
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The initial tt appears to be framed on the available capacity on existing VLP services between Maryborough and Ballarat rather than on meeting the preferred times for day return journeys to Melbourne which is the main market for all regional rail services . Whilst the am Up time is OK the afternoon Down is not ideal and would be better patronized if it ran off a Down Ballarat service departing Southern Cross just after 1800 .

This is just like Echuca - a Weekday timetable framed to suit the Operator, not the passengers .

With all the capital expenditure on the track , why Maryborough does not have a day return rail service from Melbourne on Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holiday Mondays (like Echuca has) when rollingstock is available defies logic .
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
The initial tt appears to be framed on the available capacity on existing VLP services between Maryborough and Ballarat rather than on meeting the preferred times for day return journeys to Melbourne which is the main market for all regional rail services.

This is just like Echuca - a Weekday timetable framed to suit the Operator, not the passengers .
"kuldalai"


Dont get me wrong - its an inadequate timetable.  But there is logic beyond just convenience to the operator.  Just like Echuca, its based around day return travel from the outer terminus to the provincial city.  Ie Maryborough to Ballarat and return, or Echuca to Bendigo and return.  In both cases, the arrrival and departures are timed to co-incide with business/shopping hours.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

With all the capital expenditure on the track , why Maryborough does not have a day return rail service from Melbourne on Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holiday Mondays (like Echuca has) when rollingstock is available defies logic .
"kuldalai"


I completely agree.  A weekend day return rail service on both Saturday and Sunday would make good sense.  This could be organised as two return services from Ballarat to Maryborough on the Weekend meeting a suitable Ballarat to Melbourne service.

Given the published timetable as it stands, there must be other reasons why additional services cannot be supplied?

Regards
Brian
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

With all the capital expenditure on the track , why Maryborough does not have a day return rail service from Melbourne on Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holiday Mondays (like Echuca has) when rollingstock is available defies logic .
"kuldalai"


I completely agree.  A weekend day return rail service on both Saturday and Sunday would make good sense.  This could be organised as two return services from Ballarat to Maryborough on the Weekend meeting a suitable Ballarat to Melbourne service.

Given the published timetable as it stands, there must be other reasons why additional services cannot be supplied?

Regards
Brian
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
The proposed Maryborough timetable has been deliberately structured to provide daily commuting opportunities from M'Borough, Creswick and later Clunes like the morning up Echuca to Bendigo and the evening PM down.   On average there r now 80 plus daily commuters travelling from Echuca Line Stations to Bendigo for work, uni etc.  This recognises that centres like Bendigo/Ballarat etc have their own commuter market opportunities from nearby regional locations of about 80 km.   Even some road coach routes like those into Shepparton have daily commute travellers.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Sounds like a good idea. It's about time V/Line took a look at train services that don't have to go to or from Spencer Street. Maybe Ballarat to Geelong could be looked at...?
  Lance-Fieldline Train Controller

Location: Stalybridge Station Buffet
Maybe Ballarat to Geelong could be looked at...?


Jeez, Don't get the others started on this again.  Rolling Eyes
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Victorian Railways once had a Ballarat  Queenscliff service, so anything is possible.

Perhaps Maryborough  Geelong with connections at Ballarat and Geelong to / from Southern Cross!
But then again, I suspect that would fall into the realm of armchair gunzelling, something which I don't like stooping too  Laughing
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Mr Bear - I'll think you'll find Mr. Rev was being slightly mischievious!!!!  Smile
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Victorian Railways once had a Ballarat  Queenscliff service, so anything is possible.

Perhaps Maryborough  Geelong with connections at Ballarat and Geelong to / from Southern Cross!
But then again, I suspect that would fall into the realm of armchair gunzelling, something which I don't like stooping too  Laughing
"xxxxlbear"


Beocming like Mornington Crescent isn't it?
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

It seems that the moring up and the afternoon down trains are going to be combined withe the Ararat service. They will combine the Velocities from Ararat and Maryborough at Ballarat and then on to Melbourne. The evening down will be split at Ballarat a nd go on to the two destinations

Blinkey
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
If so, it highlights that the timing on the down service is prioritised for passengers travelling from Ballarat and not the city. Otherwise you could just have a later Ballarat service split and continue to Maryborough.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Mr Bear - I'll think you'll find Mr. Rev was being slightly mischievious!!!!  Smile
"Ballast_Plough"
I wasn't, actually...Quite a fair amount of the locals up here have said they'd love a train between Ballarat and Geelong, as they'd prefer to do shopping in Geelong than Melbourne. There would also be a market for commuters I would imagine. I thought that the right ears might be listening.  Wink

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