Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hmm Talbot? I would have thought that Creswick would have been more viable than Talbot.
Agreed.
Creswick is a growing town.
Brian
Where's me Maryborough?
bevans
Site Admin
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Agreed.
Creswick is a growing town.
Brian
bevans
Site Admin
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Talbot will not be reinstated. Clunes is a remote but possible second.
I still remember Clunes in the movie mad max with the VAN sitting in the goods siding!
Brian
wongm
GEEWONG
Location: Geelong, Victoria
From August 24, 2009 - at least they have train repellent on...
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/trains-return-to-creswick/1603660.aspx
August 25, 2009
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/creswick-station-renewal-off-the-tracks/1613111.aspx
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/trains-return-to-creswick/1603660.aspx
ON TRACK: Transport Minister Lynne Kosky and Ballarat East MLA Geoff Howard at Creswick on Friday
August 25, 2009
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/creswick-station-renewal-off-the-tracks/1613111.aspx
Creswick Station too bad to fix
ONE side of Creswick Railway Station will come alive next year when passenger trains return - but the other side remains derelict and abandoned. The State Government says it would be too expensive to upgrade the existing Creswick Railway Station to V/Line standards and for wheelchair access. It announced on Friday it would build a new platform at the station, enabling the return of passenger trains to Creswick.
aussiebbq
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Ballarat, Australia
Creswick Station too bad to fix
ONE side of Creswick Railway Station will come alive next year when passenger trains return - but the other side remains derelict and abandoned. The State Government says it would be too expensive to upgrade the existing Creswick Railway Station to V/Line standards and for wheelchair access. It announced on Friday it would build a new platform at the station, enabling the return of passenger trains to Creswick.
Put it this way.
Think of this:
[bigimg]http://www.gcsupporter.com/rail/wen12.JPG[/bigimg]
Sitting across from this:
[bigimg]http://www.gcsupporter.com/rail/Creswick1.jpg[/bigimg]
That article says that it would cost $140,000 to restore the station. I want to know how much of this money would go towards moving the line back next to the platform? Would it just be cheaper to built a new station right next to the line?
kuldalai
Chief Commissioner
That is exactly what the previous post says, too costly to do existing building and platform for DDA access . Cheaper to leave line where it is and build a new simple platform on the other side of the line in the open space you see in the photo . Also maintains the curve as greater radius for through train speeds.
Don't expect a Wendouree job . The article says a platform and shelter . Expect platform length to be 100m (maximum) approx to accommodate up to 4 Vlocity cars.
Don't expect a Wendouree job . The article says a platform and shelter . Expect platform length to be 100m (maximum) approx to accommodate up to 4 Vlocity cars.
The Vinelander
Minister for Railways
Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Sorry to put a dampener on all this enthusiasm, however my 'insider' advises me the union will not support the introduction of convex curved platforms or the re-instatement of once closed stations with convex curved platforms due to the safety issues of blind spots. I'm not certain if there is a curve at Creswick, or just on the up of the platform, or if the zoom on Marcus' photo is exaggerating it or if there is a curve at the station.
As much as I support the re-introduction of services to Creswick, this announcement by the Minister may lead to some interesting discussion in the Department.
The same problem occurs with any thoughts of a reintroduction of services at Harcourt.
Mike.
639
Chief Commissioner
[bigimg]http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7900/jgtuuyouyvoyf.jpg[/bigimg]
The platform is straight.
The platform is straight.
sthyer
Deputy Commissioner
Creswick platform was never on the straight line, it was always a turnout into the platform, I assume if they move the line back to the platform, it would create a 40 km/h curve. So why not build the exisiting platform out further to lie next to the existing line?
Admittedly, the current Creswick has quite a narrow driveway and limited parking and is on the wrong side of the line for the town. If there are no plans to staff the station, then the building remains more of a liability than an asset.
Admittedly, the current Creswick has quite a narrow driveway and limited parking and is on the wrong side of the line for the town. If there are no plans to staff the station, then the building remains more of a liability than an asset.
squeekywheel
Junior Train Controller
Location: South of Brisbane, North of Surfers!
They will have to make for extra headroom on the trains that are going to use this corridor.
For all the two headed people of Clunes and Talbot!
For all the two headed people of Clunes and Talbot!
wongm
GEEWONG
Location: Geelong, Victoria
Creswick platform was never on the straight line, it was always a turnout into the platform.
This 1976 signal diagram suggests otherwise?
http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/crestal.html
639
Chief Commissioner
[bigimg]http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4961/fffffffffffffffffffp.jpg[/bigimg]
If the car park was on the goods shed side they can easily access the other side through the underpass. I really think the station needs to be fixed and used for what it was built for.
If the car park was on the goods shed side they can easily access the other side through the underpass. I really think the station needs to be fixed and used for what it was built for.
sthyer
Deputy Commissioner
Creswick platform was never on the straight line, it was always a turnout into the platform.
This 1976 signal diagram suggests otherwise?
http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/crestal.html
Damn my memory, caught out. I remember it being a sharp curve into the platform and assumed that No2 was the through.....
kuldalai
Chief Commissioner
There was/is a sharp radius curve on an uphill grade approaching Creswick from Ballarat . As such the original track into the platform was the main line but on the curve. When the signal box and interlocking were removed and the joint straight railed, the mainline was shifted out to create a curve of greater radius to maximize train speeds and reduce rail wear on the curve.
RustyRick
Chief Commissioner
Location: South West Vic
If the car park was on the goods shed side they can easily access the other side through the underpass. I really think the station needs to be fixed and used for what it was built for.
It's the slope of the ramp to the old station which is the hassle. Too steep for wheelchairs, and going around via the lx is too long.
Hopefully the locals will come up with an idea to use the station building. The art display at Stawell comes to mind...
Rick
Carnot
Minister for Railways
Clunes are keen to jump on board....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/30/2700537.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/30/2700537.htm
Barrington Womble
Photo Nazi
Location: Banned
Surprisingly, the locals in Creswick are not too keen on the idea of the new platform, and are in favour of the old station being used - in fact; a committee of locals has been formed to lobby the Government to utilise the old station platform and possibly the buildings. The disabled access wouldn't be an issue if a pedestrian crossing with auto gates was installed on the Down side of the platform over the track, similar to what exists at Wallan and Kilmore East on the North East route. Enough room also exists to widen the curve on the Up side of the station from Ballarat, so that the track could be slewed back across to the existing platform.If the car park was on the goods shed side they can easily access the other side through the underpass. I really think the station needs to be fixed and used for what it was built for.
It's the slope of the ramp to the old station which is the hassle. Too steep for wheelchairs, and going around via the lx is too long.
Hopefully the locals will come up with an idea to use the station building. The art display at Stawell comes to mind...
Rick
Nightfire
Minister for Railways
Location: Gippsland
Clunes are keen to jump on board....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/30/2700537.htm
Looking at the timetables of the local V/Line bus services between Maryborough and Ballarat, and all services stop at Creswick, Clunes, and Talbot, why wouldn't a train do the same ? ells It would be a service downgrade for the towns that miss out on a train stopping
(Funny thing with the timetables Is that the Mildura Coach stops at Clunes and Talbot but not Creswick)
beanzs27
Assistant Commissioner
Clunes are keen to jump on board....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/30/2700537.htm
Looking at the timetables of the local V/Line bus services between Maryborough and Ballarat, and all services stop at Creswick, Clunes, and Talbot, why wouldn't a train do the same ? ells It would be a service downgrade for the towns that miss out on a train stopping
(Funny thing with the timetables Is that the Mildura Coach stops at Clunes and Talbot but not Creswick)
proberly because it is not on the Ballarat-Maryborough road
412M
Assistant Commissioner
Hmmm, they refuse to use the old platforms, but they want to do everything cheaply. Maybe it would be cheaper to install a loop that goes through the existing platform and upgrade it than to install a brand new station...
The Vinelander
Minister for Railways
Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A little bird told me, 4th July.Pity Riccardo doesn't post here much any more, and what ever happened to the man of few words, ZH
PS, seems like bad news for Clunes.
Barrington Womble
Photo Nazi
Location: Banned
Not surprised. But like anything, it can be brought in at a later date if the locals yell loud and constantly enough.
Barrington Womble
Photo Nazi
Location: Banned
I woke up to banging and clattering coming from the direction of Creswick station this morning. I'll go up for a bit of a snoop once the camera batteries hae charged, and get some photos.
On Friday I noticed some rather large piles of gravel - possibly for the carpark area. I also noticed a stack of concrete sleepers. I have no idea where they are to be placed, as the crossings in the area already have dual guage concrete sleepers in them. Perhaps there is going to be some sort of siding or runaround like at Marshall?
Things are finally starting to happen.
On Friday I noticed some rather large piles of gravel - possibly for the carpark area. I also noticed a stack of concrete sleepers. I have no idea where they are to be placed, as the crossings in the area already have dual guage concrete sleepers in them. Perhaps there is going to be some sort of siding or runaround like at Marshall?
Things are finally starting to happen.
412M
Assistant Commissioner
Read in Loco Lines (newsletter of the RTBULD) that services to Maryborough are expected to start during 2010. It would be logical to have a loop similar to Marshall at each intermediate station as that way loco-hauled trains could run-round at the intermediate stations in the event of something happening.
LowndesJ515
#TeamRog
Location: Not in Victoria
Read in Loco Lines (newsletter of the RTBULD) that services to Maryborough are expected to start during 2010. It would be logical to have a loop similar to Marshall at each intermediate station as that way loco-hauled trains could run-round at the intermediate stations in the event of something happening.
Logical and Railways dont mix very well...
Nightfire
Minister for Railways
Location: Gippsland
It would be logical to have a loop similar to Marshall at each intermediate station as that way loco-hauled trains could run-round at the intermediate stations in the event of something happening.
I can't see that happening at all given that passenger trains to Maryborough will be railcars.